Prime Foreman vs Holyfield

Personally, I never thought that Big Dick Sadler was ever capable of teaching a dog to bark......... Sadler was a cheerleader........ "Get him, George." That's all bull**** talk..... That ain't training or guidance......... The only thing Dick Sadler showed Foreman was his jab........ And Foreman already had it too.... It was raw / crude early on, but it was always there....... Big Dick Sadler was NOT a good boxing trainer.......... After losing to Ali, Foreman never utilized Sadler ever again............... Good..........

MR.BILL

 

Foreman did have Sandy Saddler and Archie Moore with him but Dick Saddler didn't allow them much say in Foreman's training. Archie always regretted that, saying he could have made prime Big George into a much better fighter had he been allowed to.

In fact Foreman was a bit of a heavyweight Sandy Saddler himself although he lacked the experience Saddler gathered from hundreds of tough pro bouts.

 

Foreman NEVER fought at 235 in his first career at boxing............ If memory serves me right, Foreman's heaviest was 232 against Dino Dennis in '76................. Foreman was 229 for James Young in 1977...........

Come 1988, during his comeback, Foreman scaled a low 235 for Qawi........... It was short-lived............. By late summer of '88, Foreman was a soft and heavy 251 or so for his suck-ass fight with Ladislao Mijangos on the lousy USA network........... I got the tape / tapes........

MR.BILL

Note:

In my book, the 244 that Foreman weighed for his '87 ESPN fight with Rocky Sekorski was ideal for a 40 year old Foreman.............. 243 for Guido Trane in Feb. 1988 was fine too..............

 

You're right but 3 pounds is not a huge difference. I do know he said he was 230+ for the circus exhibition he had against 5 opponents after Ali had beaten him.

235 was too low for comeback Foreman though despite not exactly looking in prime condition against Qawi (although closer to it than in any of his other comeback fights). He did say he felt drained.

 

Your body changes with age..... In 1977, at 235, Foreman would've looked slobbish........ But in 1988, 235 was damn good for the photo shoot.........

STILL! In 1976 at 232 pounds against Dino Dennis, Foreman was heavy but still muscular with a buffed physique............

In 1988 at 235 against Qawi, Foreman was lean and bulky; not very ripped...... Foreman could've maintained 235 in the late 80s had he perfected his diet and took it slowly....... But Foreman is a chowhound..........

MR.BILL

 

Foreman was better off beefing up in his comeback.

 

Only to a degree....................:think

Foreman was prolly best off between 243 to 253 pounds................ The 267 against Steve Zouski in 1987 was not good, and 235 for Qawi in '88 was likely too light which caused some weakness........
:rasta

MR.BILL

 

Holyfield struggled to try and knock the old Foreman out, but he didn't struggle with him in terms of competitiveness. The Holyfield/Foreman fight in April of '91 was not even close. At the time of the fight, I was still caught up in the Foreman mystique and believed Foreman had performed better than he actually did. Foreman was so slow and ponderous against Holyfield; it's almost comical to watch it now. How Foreman was even given any of the rounds is beyond me. Foreman would land a single shot, and then Holyfield would clobber him with 3 or 4 in return.

 

That was his first comeback fight. But I saw a fight against somebody on his Ringside classic and he said he got down to 225 or so pounds.

 

Holyfield stood up to Bowe for three wars, and Bowe was a far bigger man than 70s Foreman. He would not be greatly outsized or outmuscled by big George.

 

Power is the great equalizer only in certain cases, otherwise Earnie Shavers would have been one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time. Holyfield would be moving and boxing big lumbering George, and hurting him. The chances of Foreman landing a KO blow on prime Evander are slim.

 

You aren't picking Holyfield here are you? :huh

 

Absolutely I am. As I have already said on this thread, the young Foreman is the most hideously overrated fighter of all time. His lumbering movement, clubbing swings and horrid lack of fundamentals skills would see him soundly, soundly outboxed and beaten by the best heavyweight version of Holyfield. Chasing smaller men around the ring with your fist cocked in no way prepares you to face a thoroughbred boxing champ like the Real Deal.

 

Holy ****. Past it Foreman was competitive with prime Evander, young Foreman was more mobile, and got more leverage on his shots. Holyfield can't resist a war, and just as Bert Cooper gave him hell, as did Michael Dokes, prime Foreman is going to land plenty of times on Holyfield...and it's over. I don't give Evander a chance in hell in this fight.