How hard do you find it to rank Pacquiao...

If you think Roach and Pac were scared of Mayweather after that fight, you're insane. A blind drunk ******ed child knew Marquez, having had 2 fights at lightweight, couldn't put on enough weight at his age to weigh in over lww and fight a fully-fledged ww. If anything, that fight showed that Floyd failed to finish an overweight and overmatched opponent who was there for the taking. Stick that version of Marquez in with Mosley, and he doesn't see the 3rd round. I don't think age was necessarily a factor, but it didn't need to be, it was a mismatch because of weight.

It wasn't how early Pac KO'd Hatton that would be important to Floyd, we all know Pac is more aggressive than Floyd. It is the way Hatton and Cotto have reacted to the lww/ww Pacquiao's punches which will have got Floyd thinking. Hatton and Cotto were going down and reeling around every time Pac hit them with full-blooded shots. That power is serious, and Floyd will not want to take any risks with it.

 

Thats why Roach says he needs more time than five months to prepare Pac properly for Mayweather.
Do you realize how blatantly and utterly biased you are being? If Mayweather would have been knocked down, or JMM won a couple rounds I bet you wouldnt be spewing this BS.
Bottom line is Pac saw a guy he went life and death with twice just a year and a half or so earlier, get completely outclassed by the guy hes supposed to fight next. You mean to tell me that Pac got that much better technically, and that much stronger in that short amount of time? And JMM after stopping two very durable lightweights that had never previously been stopped before, got that much older, weaker and slower adding another 7 pounds?
Thats reaching a bit dont you think? Bottom line is Floyd is that much better than the rest of the pack, and as you say, "only a blind drunk ******ed child" wouldnt acknowledge it.

 

Pacman just dominated and KO'ed a WW that Floyd was relactent to fight. Pacman has the best win at WW, how long has Floyd been a WW?

 

Manny has the best win at Welterweight, Junior Welterweight, and Super Featherweight. :good

130lbs is debatable, but I think Marquez is a better fighter than Corrales and Hernandez, personally.

 

The Hatton /Zoo fight is meaningless unless you count Ali/Berbick/Louis/Marciano or SRL/Camacho as meaningful events in regards if all those fights would have happened at each fighters prime.

Pac got Ko'ed by bodyshots when he was green and a equally green Zoo was stopped in a very competitve fight ..............

Pac is not a boxer , he overwhelms/overpowers his opponents especially when they stay right in front of him. Jab/right hand stop him dead in his tracks as shown in Morales 1 and both Marquez fights. Without the knock downs in both fights with Marquez he would have lost a loopsided decision aka he cant box for **** when his power/speed does not bail him out. Fact.

Anyway, when Mayweather will land those rights AT WILL you eventually will take your rose colored glasses of and will realize you got sold...........

 

That still has absolutely nothing to do with what I said, and its pretty obvious theres a monumental difference between Cotto and Mayweather stylistically and what Mayweather did to JMM as compared to Pac. As far as Floyd being reluctant to fight Cotto, I dont think so, when is the last time hes done business with Bob Arum since they've split? Remember FLoyd has been sueing Arum for some time trying to recoup money he believes Arum owes him from previous fights. They do not like each other at all, thats why Arum is being uncharacteristically mum on these fight negotiations, because hes usually the first to run his mouth, but he doesnt want to lose it.
If Mayweather was reluctant to fight Cotto, he certainly wouldnt be so quick to start negotiations for a fight with Pac now would he?

 

Some points

1. Well they are fighting now as long as Pacman signs, so much for both ducking each other

2. Saying either Pacquaio or Mayweather is scared is foolish and even if they are a little it will make them fight better

3. Mayweather never knocks guys out quick, Corrales/Hatton/Castillo all knocked out like opponents quicker than him. Knocking guys out quicker doesn't mean you're going to win the fight

 

1. Tyszu was only 35 and coming off 1 of his best career wins

2. Umm Tyszu was what 26 and a champ in his prime? Pacquaio was about 17 or 19?

3. Pac can use boxing skill/speed to outbox opponents, look at the Delahoya/Diaz fights

4. I predict Mayweather will land straight right after straight right but it doesnt mean . And I don't think you were looking for the term 'sold'

 

You haven't understood what I've said, and are taking a defensive fanboy stance on it, protecting Floyd when I'm not even attacking him.

I'm not saying that Floyd is terrified of Pacquiao as a fighter, nor am I saying Floyd will not want to fight him. What I am saying is that Floyd is a cautious fighter by nature, and also he actively cultivates his aura of invincibility which people like yourself propagate - take those two factors into consideration, and then think of Floyd watching Pacquiao's punches devastate Hatton and Cotto, in a way that Tszyu, Mayweather, Mosley and Margarito could not manage.

Whether you think Floyd is invincible or not, that is going to affect his gameplan. He will not want to take the risk of being caught with one of those shots. He will do anything to avoid being visibly hurt with the world's media in attendance.

You're just flat out wrong about Mayweather-Marquez though. It was a mismatch and 90% of us knew it from day one. Marquez was clearly overweight, and a Mosley or a Pacquiao would have blown him out of the ring and back down to 135 where he belongs (even though he is a natural feather and struggled with the size and physicality of ****ing Juan Diaz at 135!)

 

Juan Diaz swarms everyone and is physical with everyone thats his style, yet hes still never been stopped until the JMM fight. Your the one being a fanboy and Im quite impartial to the whole thing, I just realistically call it how I see it unlike you are doing and I dont favor either fighter really. I think Pac is a live dog against Floyd.
Floyd approaches every fight cautiously, and has admitted Pac is a good puncher, of course he is going to approach the fight cautiously, why wouldnt he?

 

I would be disappointed if Mayweather threw caution to the wind with Pac. I want to see both contest each other, styles intact and at their best.

 

The Cotto fight was at welterweight. Anything above 140lbs to 147lbs is classed as welterweight. Duran and Leonard weighed in at 145 and 145 1/2 for their first fight in 1980.

It was a catchweight within the welterweight division. Cotto came in at 145 and Pacquaio 144.

 

The fight could have gone either way. We're not talking about who had the better performance at 130lbs, but who had the better win. Like I said, it's debatable. What isn't debatable however is that Manny has gone to sufficient lengths to separate himself from the rest of the fighters of his own era. Floyd is so far behind him, even if he beats Manny, the best he can still do is 2nd.

The catchweight was at 145, they were both practically Welterweights going into that fight and Manny won decisively. I credit him for having the best win at Welterweight, it doesn't change the overriding point mind you, Floyd has so much ground to cover it isn't funny.

 

They were welterweights. You don't need to weigh-in at the limit to be a welterweight. True.