how would marvin hagler fare against the murderers row of the 40s?

Hagler had problems with movers! and guys who could fight more than one way! willie the worm munroe, boogaloo watts, ray learnard and robeto duran were giveing marvin fits at times in there fights! imagine what burley would of been like archie moore said charley was as slick as lard and as slippery as butter, haglers worst nightmare!

 

you can't really put Zale in that category, because he was in the war for the duration and when he came out 4 years later he went for the biggest buck; Graziano! Tony was really at the end of his career at that time and can be accused of ducking noone because of his service to his country.:hat

 

Jake got outclassed by Lloyd Marshall!!

 

Whats with the if a guy like la motta could whip them? on his best day i would put la motta in with any other middleweight and give him a 50\50 chance, in his prime he was one of the most avoided fighters around, you dont have 6 match ups with sugar ray for nothing besides the last fight they had and the first fight which jake won takeing rays unbeaten record in process, they were all close hard fought battle's.

 

I'd love for you to give me those odds with Jake vs Lloyd Marshall

I could use your do ray mee!!

 

Shorty Hogue is an interesting story, went on quite a run though and went 1-1-3 against Booker, 2-1 against Archie Moore, 1-1 against Lloyd Marshall. And whats more went 42-11-2 in a career that only lasted. Did the last Moore fight ruin him or did he go off to war? He was only 21 when he had his last fight according to the Rec

Then you have Chase who beat Booker, went 1-4 against Moore, and 1-1 against Marshall, beating Aaron Wade more often than not but losing to Williams/Burley in numerous bouts

The thing about fights of this period is though, you have to ask how many were fixed???

 

Fair play, but either way they weren't getting a fair roll of the dice

 

I do believe Shorty died in the early 60s as suicide. Below is the website of his biographer if u wanna make further inquires.


CharleyBurley.com

 

only person really missing from there is Georgie Abrams (missing from the murderers row that is despite being white)

 

On the other side of the coin, how would LaMotta have done against the Philly Middleweights, Hagler had to go through?

 

I was gonna say, to little Cocoas credit, he gave up many lbs and gave Georgie Freedom Abrams all he could handle.
In addition, Georgies draw vs Burley was really a case of Georgie getting his ass kicked.

Louis Kid Cocoa vs Washington's own Georgie Abrams by Nate Phillips THE RING. Nov 1940
At Washington, another Madison Square Garden attraction was presented in the main go of ten rounds between the number one welterweight contender, Louis Kid Cocoa. THE RING'S No. 5 middleweight and Washington's own Georgie Abrams. Cocoa scaled 1481/2 and Abrams, 158.

For the first three rounds, Abrams took the fight to Cocoa and had a slight edge, but at the start of the fourth, Cocoa found the range with that left of his and landed many telling blows in infighting.

the fifth, sixth and seventh were very big rounds for Cocoa who had Abrams' left eye cut. Abrams won the eighth by a shade, but in the ninth, Cocoa staggered Abrams and won the round. In the tenth and final, both went at it with Cocoa having a little the better of it, to take the round. The judges declared Abrams the winner at the end of a very good fight.

 

La motta had a prime ray robinson, holman williams, lloyd marshall, fritzie zivic, marcel cerdan and bob saterfield to deal with! he would not of lost no sleep over boogaloo watts, eugene hart or willie the worm monroe

 

Would have had his hands full with "Bad" Bennie Briscoe!