Calzaghe's joke legacy takes another massive hit

Really? how so?

 

Does that mean Lennox Lewis Legacy took a massive hit when every decent fighter he fought lost a fight against another fighter a few years after he beat them?

Bruno > lost to Tyson after Lewis.
Mercer > lost to Wlad
Holyfield > lost to Ruiz
Grant > lost to McCline
Tua > lost to Byrd
Tyson > lost to Williams

List goes on....

Using this logic there isn't gonna be many fighters with a legacy left.

 

You also have to remember we have to wait to see what Ward does. And if Ward loses we have to wait to see what the man beat him does. And if the man that beat him loses we have to wait to see what he does. :nut

You can only judge these things as they happen. When Calzaghe fought Lacy it was a big event, a unification matchup, much hyped match and it was a big win in its own time. Same for Kessler.

 

Link?

 

Excellent post!:deal

And my thoughts exactly!

 

Ok could be a fair point, but not in this case. Joe's lack of credibility comes from poor opposition, or good names fought at the worst possible times.

Many argued, yourself included, that Kessler was an all conquering hero who would go on to inflict similar super hero domination on the 'normal' people in the super middle division. Calzaghes lack of a decent name fighter in their prime, was to be swept aside by Kessler and he's 'war of terror' on the division. Unfortunately he stumbled.

There goes that argument. To term William Wallace 'Every man dies but not every man really lives'. Calzaghe never fought like a great, and he never competed like one. Good yep, very good but not a legend. Unless you like pretty belts and high numbers.

 

Might just be the computer I'm using but can't view the link your talking about.

 

:rofl

He was asking for one, not showing/linking one.

 

Nigel Benn was my favourite fighter ever, I read every little snippet published about him, in fact i've got a scrap book somewhere...., And I have never heard that offer. Benn was consigned to the fact that Jones would beat him. Jones faced better opposition in his short reign at 168 then most of Calzaghe's. Had Jones fought all 46 of Joes opponents... including the decrepid immitation of himself he would have been 46-0 and maybe only Eubank might have lasted the distance. Different class.

 

I never said that once so please don't misquote me in an attempt to make your argument seem stronger. That is exactly why I don't respect your opinion on this subject, not because you disagree but because your judgement is obviously clouded and I know that because your arguments are often personal towards Calzaghe, some kind of cheap dig, or a straw man argument where you misinterpret people intentionally (like you just did me). That is the oldest trick in the book and might get you somewhere with a noob but everybody else can see that for what it is.

I can't be bothered going over his record with a fine tooth comb AGAIN, but suffice to say if he's not a 'legend' of the sport he's certainly a 'legend' of British boxing which is pretty good going and since your a champion of the domestic journeymen perhaps you at least ought to recognize and respect that now and again.

 

It's in his autobiography. Google it and I'm sure you'll find something.

 

You mean you still think that knockdown was "real"?? :think

Have a look at the tape, one of the angles shown during the replays shows Calzaghe telling Jones something and then suddenly he's down...And, if memory serves me right, it hit the shoulder.

If Jones REALLY hurt Calzaghe, why did he feel able to stand toe to toe with him for long periods of the fight.

 

Thats another bull**** statement people make not founded in reality because they are desperate to score a point. They'll tell you he was knocked down by an old shot Roy Jones but do they ever mention the forearm that hit Calzaghe's chin whilst the actual glove missed him? They'll tell you about his slaps and a close win or two though. It's amazing how they can pick out the details when they see fit...truely amazing

They'll mention the old past it Hopkins that Joe struggled with but forget to mention Hopkins beat a p4p guy and is currently a top p4p fighter himself and was recognised as the best LHW.

This is the spin people resort to.

 

You are such a fanny on this subject. Its like you become a female. However right back at you- Do not cheapen my argument by claiming I have a personal hatred of Calzaghe, thats absolutely ridiculous. I don't know him, I've been told he's a good bloke, I supported him most of his career and I criticise and applaud loads of fighters... Calzaghe's just another topic of debate to me.... I know some members of ESB like to cradle him like a baby.

If I met Calzaghe i'd be completely in awe of him, cracking fighter and you are right one of the best brits ever. But he's no legend. And you loved Kessler- I really cannot be bothered trawling through your posts but you championed him before the Clazaghe fight, let alone after it. Do I really need to spend 10 mons searching to make my point?

 

Did the ref count.... Was he wobblying like a drunk on a friday night. Imagine if he'd have been hit with the fist instead of the softer forearm.... You make it out its a good thing that he got knocked down by a less levered, softer portion of his arm. :deal