Floyd is a ducker because arum said so...

That is the blessing and curse of a league. In your example using Silva the league is the UFC. Earlier it was Pride. Anyway...

What you say is the true and honorable thing and as a young man it makes sense. I don't know if you have a wife, kids, or people you love that depend on you to secure their future, but when you do you understand perfectly. As much of a warrior Ali is, he had to recently sell the rights to his name just to keep food on the table. These are the realities of life.

So in a league you can have the "honor" of fighting the best (and in the meantime destroying your body), but you also know that you are making peanuts and if the league folds (Pride, EliteXC) you are unemployed.

It seems messed up, but when you analyze it? It makes perfect sense. If you want to fight the best? Step your entire game up! (Marketing, skills, finances)

 

Yeah, thats pretty much the "law of the Land" in this forum. Whenever posters don't agree with someone or gets called out on their BS...

They usually respond with insults and name calling...TYPICAL JR. HIGH BULL****!!!

Again Great Thread!!!!

YOU REALLY NEED TO SEND A COPY OF THIS TO "RA THE RUGGED"...BECAUSE HE WAS SO SORELY MISINFORMED!!!!

 

Just as I thought...And your were right IVLG...No-one wants to touch your thread because its too full of FACTS!!!

 

He's not a coward, but he hides behind his 0 and doesnt risk it unless he's getting paid ridiculous amounts of money. Since nobody can afford to pay him as much as he wants he just hangs around saying he's the best without proving it. I dont know why you feel the need to defend him.

I agree with the points made in this interview:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJT8qtG0-_4[/ame]

 

You agree with the points in the video becasue ur a dumbass. What RA said made no sense.

He asked Floyd when is he gonna fight somebody in the top 2 in his own weight class. Well Floyd has beaten the champs of five different weight divisions so thats someone in the top two in his own weight.

 

:-(

 

I want to reply but I can't seem to finish reading the entire thing.

Anyway, it seems that the basis of your argument is Mayweather is getting more money fighting so and so instead of facing legitimate opponents,, fought Baldomir for 10 or 15 million dollars instead of Margarito, or JMM instead of Mosley becausde he got 25 million dollars or something.

I did not know that Floydettes are mirror image of their idol, like they echo back what Mayweather is saying.

I do not care if Mayweather fought Margarito or shane or cotto for 500 dollars, just fight. Not a single cents goes to my pocket or bank account but I expect to be entertained. If he wins, props to him.

Very poor argument to make a case in any court or avenue. Your article was apologic for greediness of Mayweather - that sums it up actually. Mayweather and legacy should never be in one sentence (that is the last time that you will see those two in a sentence).

 

margarito ws not a star when he was offerd he fight
shane turnd down a fight with floyd untill he wanted one last big payday

your not seein the point of the original post

 

You didn't read the entire thing, so you speculate about what points he may have been trying to make. Then you respond to your own speculations, as if that was the TS's own argument. Does this make sense to anyway?

How are you going to debate or refrute somehow if you didn't even bother to listen to what they said? That's akin to a defense lawyer taking a bathroom break as the prosecutor is presenting their case, only to come back and respond to what he "thinks" the prosecutor was saying.

 

Can't be bothered to watch all the attached videos which I presume supports the texts of the article as normally done if all of you back-rubbing floydettes know. But from how the article was written, arguments are heavily laden with how much Mayweather got for each fight, and I presume, was the bigger amount than facing Cotto, or mosley or anybody who is breathing at that time.,


What's the point of the article then???

Floydettes are so happy that Mayweather is becoming billionaire while not actually facing a legitimate opponent???

Sometimes I wonder if Mayweather has so many blood relations because you bitches act like one. Or is there a synchronized orgasm seeing Mayweather win against those opponents while remaining "pretty".

 

I read it, but can't be bothered watching all the videos attached.

If you are the lawyer, videos are summarized in the text or argument and presented as evidence attchment. THus, reading the text was like reading the glorification of financial gain over legacy. Bul&6%5t and crap.

Wan't to debate with me, then present your arguments succintly because I don't have time to be perusing over worthless arguments or put you summary in the end of a kilometer long argument. There are some here who can spend 100 per cent of their time in ESB but fortunately, I don't otherwise, I go crazy with people who don't have the mental facility to be in grade 1 or kindergarten like Nallege.

 

Ok, I'll throw my two cents in on the other side of this argument.

Whether or not Floyd has been "frozen" out is difficult to discern. But it is clear that his resume "legacy-wise" does not stand up to someone like Pacquiao's. The fights are and have been out there his entire career, but even the most ardent Mayweather supporter has to agree that he often took the path of least resistance to his version of greatness.

I'm not really a fan of any of the other fighters that are being mentioned as having not made themselves available for a fight with Mayweather, save for Cotto. And I find it extremely hard to believe that he would not have jumped at the chance to fight him. I don't have the exact quotes or links (and if you want to point that out, it would be understandable) but I have read on numerous occasions that the people within Top Rank, from early on in his career all felt that Cotto had the tools to handle Mayweather, and Cotto himself has proven to seek out the biggest and best that he can challenge. I don't buy the excuse that "these guys [SSM, Cotto, Marg] are beating each other so there is no point beating them". Particularly not in the case of Cotto as he outboxed SSM and then outboxed Marg for 6 rounds too before succumbing to a very, very debatable first loss. Mayweather could still have fought Cotto but neglected to. Instead he took what we all have to agree was a very, very easy fight with a bloated Juan Manuel Marquez.

But as has become clear, a case can be made for Floyd having been frozen out in the past. I don't buy it but fine, you can make that case.

Not since Hatton though. Since then Floyd has had carte blanche. Everyone wants a piece of him. And it was at that point that Floyd retired.

Floyd has made it abundantly clear throughout his career that he doesn't care for building a resume of substance. "Legacy don't pay bills". His belief is that you should recognize his skills, identify that head to head, he would hypothetically beat anyone in history, and that should be enough. So if that is his perspective it only makes sense to me that he wouldn't seek out the tough fights with quality opponents. Which brings us on to the point that he would rather fight a Ricky Hatton (mediocre at best at WW) or a Juan Manuel Marquez (also mediocre at best at WW) for a lot of money, than to fight, say, a dangerous fight for little money with Paul Williams.

To me that is the definition of "ducking", isn't it? Avoiding these high risk low reward fighters. His decisions make sense from a financial angle, but not from a boxing one. Floyd has that once in a lifetime ability to do something truly special and he wasted it trying just to make as much money as possible. And he did that by taking high profit fights rather than high risk fights. That's ducking, isn't it?

If in the coming years, after the (hopefully) Pacquiao fight, he goes on to beat down SSM and Paul Williams and whoever else is out there then more power to him and I will begin to entertain the idea that he was screwed over in the past. But I very much doubt he will do that.

 

Pac and Roach want a fight with Void very badly, but they will not allow themselves to be robbed. Roach tried to get Void to fight Pac right after the Hatton fight, but Void refused. So, Pac fought another fighter that Void refused to fight, Cotto! Void also refused to fight Margarito and Mosely.

Void is void!

 

Also to note: I don't for any second think that SSM or Paul Williams could beat Floyd. I'm just saying. For the record I think he takes them both to school.

 

I'm not so much making a case for a league, more using MMA as an example of a sport where we regularly see the best fight the best. Eventually, the leagues could all disappear and we'll see fighters who will pad their records and duck the big names of their division.

In the case of Ali, I completely understand what you're saying. However, we're discussing Floyd Mayweather whose ring name is 'Money'! He doesn't need to put food on his table, he's got plenty already! All I'm saying is that if he wants to create a legacy, which I don't think he does (and I'm not saying there's a problem with that either, I can understand just wanting to make a load of cash and get out), then he should've fought Cotto, Margarito regardless of how much he would get.

Also, I find it a bit difficult to call $250k peanuts, and definitely 7 or 8m dollars. I would give my left nut to get that kind of money for one nights work!

I'm glad that I didn't get pounced on for using MMA as an example though I must say! Cheers for responding