"Duran-Cuevas" of 1983.... Classic or Farce?

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  1. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    point takin':hat
     
  2. MRBILL

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    I'll tell you what I think........ I think Duran at 145 pounds and age 29 in Montreal was a goddamn devil in the ring and would've eaten anyone from 140 to 150 solid pounds alive on that June night in 1980........

    In June of 1980, Pipino Cuevas was preparing to but not yet fought Tommy Hearns.... Had Cuevas bypassed Hearns altogether and signed to fight Duran in the fall of 1980, I still think Duran would've killed Cuevas.... Of course I am taking into consideration that Duran maintains his motivation and focus and doesn't balloon upward of 180 pounds like he normally did after a big win....... A well tuned Duran of 1980 beats a well tuned Cuevas of that very year......... IMO!!!

    Also..... Weight gain and weight loss for Duran was a problem from time-to-time, but I thought Duran looked physically pretty good at the full 147 he tilted for the Leonard rematch in New Orleans........... Was Duran a little weak going in? Probably... Christ, he lost over 30 pounds to make weight...... Did Duran look horrible in the rematch going into the fateful round 8? NO!!!! Duran just was offset and frustrated by Leonard's speed and movement and he said: "**** It!"

    But, all in all..... YES! Duran still beats the **** outta Cuevas in 1980 or 1983...... Either way........... OH! Cuevas' power was still there at age 24 and 149 pounds in '83.......... Cuevas winged serious power shots to Duran..... Duran dodged several bullets, but he got clipped by a few before he lowered the boom on Cuevas......... Duran never looked to be in any real trouble from Cuevas at all in 1983......... I can't say the same about Cuevas...... By round 3 in 1983 against Duran, Cuevas was on his way out.......... Peace...

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  3. mcvey

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    The difference to me was, one was a great puncher ,and one was a great fighter.:good
     
  4. MRBILL

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    I too was never impressed with Cuevas' skills or finess........ Cuevas always moved roughly and left himself wide open in his rushing attacks......

    Cuevas had that same "Bazooka" Limon approach of throwing both hands to the head and body while leading in with their face....... Easy to counter........

    Look.... I thought Cuevas was entertaining, but I never thought he was brilliant with anything other than power at 147 pounds......

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  5. TheGreatA

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  6. la-califa

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    I'm not debating if Cuevas would beat Duran. Just stating about Duran MIGHT not have been able to walk through a PRIME Cuevas, like he did to the Cuevas of 1983. By 1983 Cuevas was a shell of his former self. He did not have the leverage on his power punches like he did in his Championship prime. Duran had the style to defeat Cuevas. But if he took a left hook flush, like a flush right hand from Tommy Hearns in 1984. Duran could have been in serious trouble. In 1979 when Duran moved up to Welterweight. He opted to fight Palomino, instead of challenging Cuevas for the WBA Welterweight Championship. THEN challenged Leonard for the WBC Championship. In any case it would have been HUGE! But truthfully Duran was too smart to engage in powershots with a prime Cuevas. & had the tools to outbox Pipino & wear him down.
     
  7. MRBILL

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    Whether because they started boxing as kids or not, "Cuevas & Benitez" are TWO classic examples of once good / great champions who seemingly went to hell over night at a still youthful age south of 25..... Cuevas was faded after Hearns knocked him for a loop in the summer of '80, and Benitez was never the same after he lost to Hearns on points in 1982.......

    As for who was better at 147 between 1976 thru 1979, I give Carlos Palomino the edge in skills and finess over the one-dimensional Cuevas..... No doubt.........

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  8. la-califa

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    That one dimension STILL holds the Welterweight record for most consecutive title defenses won by knockout! 10. broken by Randy Shields in the 11th defense.:deal
     
  9. MRBILL

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    Yeah.... But Cuevas also looked stronger and even bigger than some of them dudes he defended against like: "Angel Espada, Clyde Grey, Harry Weston & Bill Backus." Cuevas was well matched in his favor there......

    As far as taking risks as a champion, I'd say fights with "Ranzany & Sheilds" were risk takers--on paper........ Of course Tommy Hearns was the BIG threat........

    Cuevas had power at 147, but not a whole lot else.......... His chin seemed intact shy of age 21, but then it began to fail afterward....... Cuevas' jab sucked and his lateral movement was average at best...... But he was a fun guy to watch in the ring......

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  10. la-califa

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    Yeah, some of those Mexican fighters are do-or-die! He was destined to burn out young. If he fought Hearns or not...Angel Espada was the reigning Champion, Clyde Gray & Harold Weston Jr. were viable contenders for the Championship. Just better boxers, & not known for power. (Although, Espada & Weston suffered broken jaws. & Backus a broken orbital bone!):deal
     
  11. MAG1965

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    Cuevas was not prime or near it in 1983. Duran had better defense and preserved himself better.
     
  12. MRBILL

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    Still, no excuse........ Duran was age 31 to Cuevas' mere age 24 in 1983 is a huge "7" year gap in age..... Plus, Cuevas was never rumored to have ballooned up in weight between title bouts during the 70s as was the case with Duran....... Duran was simply better all around than Cuevas.........
    :good:hey

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  13. WhataRock

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    Cueves was nearly toast.

    His age is of little relevance...He was champ at 18 and had been fighting world class fighters in wars since.

    But thats not to say you cant give Duran some credit for that win. Pipino's power meant that he was still dangerous, even if others facets of his game were sliding.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    Cuevas was 25 actually, lets be honest if we are gonna go all factual :lol:

    But really, what does age have to do with this matchup? He was basically washed up. Some are washed up at 21 some at 45, many factors involved.

    Cuevas had seen many wars and been poleaxed by Hearns. Duran by contrast had the most underrated defense of his time and had never copped a whupping.

    So to dumb it down

    Cuevas = damaged goods.

    Duran = preserved goods that turned out to have so much more left than was known at the time it's not funny.
     
  15. MRBILL

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    Okay, but Ol' Cuevas kept on going until 1989 basically winning some and losing some...... His final fight was against Lupe Aquino who KO'd Cuevas..... Cuevas' record stands at 35-15-0 (31) KO's.... I'm not sure if he ever had a draw or two.?.? Still.....
    :hat

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