Heavyweight with the highest workrate

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Rise Above, Dec 5, 2009.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'm just going to leave you to it chum. I'm not even reading the rest of that. You're making trouble where there is none. No idea what your problem is.
     
  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Okay, but at least I can go forward admitting I'm accountable for what I say. You're just not making sense with that and I called you out on it. You're idea of debating with me is making trouble than fine.
     
  3. McGrain

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    All I said was that picking Marciano "by far" wasn't reasonable. Unforgiven, who originally said it, agreed with me. You read it and went absolutley mental.
     
  4. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I'm sorry, I'm schizophrenic, but a passionate boxing fan.
     
  5. newbridgeboxing

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  6. round15

    round15 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He didn't throw 100 punches in every round against Charles because the Rock was getting hit with solid punches himself. Of course Frazier slowed down towards the end of the FOTC. The pace he sets is equal to the pace of a middleweight fighter. In fact, I don't even remember Hagler, Hearns, Duran or Leonard fighting with the same wicked consistent pace of speed as Frazier did in his prime years. This is exactly one of the reasons why Frazier chose to spar with the top middleweight and light heavyweight fighters Philly fighters.

    Marciano's pace slowly increases as the fight goes on, but he's not as pressure fast as Frazier, and I'd argue that Frazier's workrate is higher based on the fact he set up more punches to the body and was a more distinct body puncher than Marciano. Marciano threw harder right hands and perhaps more power punches total over fifteen rounds than Frazier.

    I also disagree with those who say Marciano would have KOed FOTC Ali before the 15 round duration or beat him up worse than Frazier did. Marciano probably hurts Ali just like Frazier did, perhaps earlier in the fight if he catches him. Again what's forgotten is the fact that Frazier's underrated foot and handspeed enabled him to catch Ali in the corners and on the ropes, where Marciano wouldn't catch him. He doesn't have enough speed to catch Ali repeatedly like Frazier did. The only way Marciano beats FOTC Ali is by making Ali stand and trade shots which he wouldn't do. Ali would use his legs the same way he fought Frazier, trying to keep a safe outside distance while landing quality shots.
     
  7. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Or rather they hold the record for punches in a fight since they started counting.
     
  8. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marciano worked harder than Vitali, only because he had to to make up for his deficiencies
    though.

    Vitali today can throw faster, hard, more accurate shots than Marciano and in far greater volume, without really trying. He is just a much more effiecient, technically sound fighter.

    But in answer to the original question, Marciano is in with a good shout as one of the hardest working ever, as is Fraizer.
     
  9. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Exactly. Ike/Tua had the record for fights scored by Compubox, which wasn't even developed until the mid 80s. Even than you have to consider that only Compubox's client base is included in that figure, which was once exclusively HBO but in recent times at least have branched out more.