Featherweight Survey (POLL CLOSED)

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Same deal as with the heavyweight, light heavyweight, middleweight, welterweight, and lightweight divisions. I will keep this one going until Januar 19 (give or take, but make that the tentative deadline for now).

    Scoring system is as follows:

    25 points for your #1 guy
    15 for #2
    12 for #3
    10 for #4
    8 for #5
    5 for #6
    4 for #7
    3 for #8
    2 for #9
    1 for #10

    * Please make a list of TEN FIGHTERS.

    * NO TIES!
    * If you make a List of MORE or LESS than 10, your list will NOT COUNT
    * Please include fighter's full name

    Anyway, to kick it off, here's what I came up with:

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    Rumsfeld, Dec 9, 2009
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  2. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    Featherweight:
    1. Willie Pep
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Sandy Saddler
    4. Salvador Sanchez
    5. Jim Driscoll
    6. Vicente Saldivar
    7. Abe Attell
    8. Terry McGovern
    9. Alexis Arguello
    10. George Dixon
     
    mckay_89, Dec 9, 2009
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    1 Willie Pep
    2 Sandy Saddler
    3 Henry Armstrong
    4 Abe Attell
    5 Jim Driscoll
    6 George Dixon
    7 Sal Sanchez
    8 Vincente Saldivar
    9 Kid Chocolate
    10 Alexis Arguello

    Very tough. I know I might be accused of over rating Attel and I know that having him above Driscoll will be problematic for some, but I think his overall depth of work is better. So hence the rating. Armstrong, based upon what he actually did, might be overated here, but who, on this list, beats him at his featherweight best?
     
    McGrain, Dec 9, 2009
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  4. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    This is where it gets hard. My knowledge of boxing gets a little thin when it gets below the Lightweights. I think I shall have to do a little research to give a top 10.
     
    Rise Above, Dec 9, 2009
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  5. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Henry Armstrong
    2. Sandy Saddler
    3. Willie Pep
    4. Salvador Sanchez
    5. Alexis Arguello
    6. Jim Driscoll
    7. Azumah Nelson
    8. Abe Attell
    9. Battling Battalino
    10. Vicente Saldivar
     
    My2Sense, Dec 9, 2009
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I was very interested to see your list; this is what I expected.
     
    McGrain, Dec 9, 2009
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  7. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    I know in a H2H sense Armstrong would be number 1 but did he really do enough at the weight to be ranked above Pep and Saddler ?
     
    Rise Above, Dec 9, 2009
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There are plenty of guys who could rank above Armstrong based upon who they beat at the weight. The question is, which of those guys do you pick to beat Armstrong at the weight? Skills on film should count for something, getting the balance right is very tough, but my personal opinion is that Armstrong at #1 can be defended.
     
    McGrain, Dec 9, 2009
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  9. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    Fair enough, as I said before my knowledge of the Featherweight division is fairly limited. I still think I'd have Armstrong below Pep and Saddler though.
     
    Rise Above, Dec 9, 2009
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  10. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, he unified a fragmented title, and decisively beat some quality opposition like Baby Arizmendi (HOFer), Midget Wolgast (HOFer), Petey Sarron (conqueror of Freddie Miller), and Mike Belloise. He also crushed future champ Chalkey Wright (HOFer), who is probably Pep's biggest win at the weight after Saddler, and also ex-champ Benny Bass (HOFer). Neither Sarron nor Bass were ever counted out in their long careers except against Armstrong. His accomplishments as a FW are very impressive, but often overlooked because they're overshadowed by his extraordinary achievements at higher weights.
     
    My2Sense, Dec 9, 2009
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  11. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    I do agree his Featherweight accomplishments get overlooked as he was so dominant in the higher weight classes.
     
    Rise Above, Dec 9, 2009
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  12. Mendoza

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    1. Saddler
    2. Armstong
    3. Pep
    4. Sanchez
    5. Mcgovern
    6. Arguello
    7. Kid Chocolate
    8. Young Griffo
    9. Driscoll
    10. Attell
     
    Mendoza, Dec 9, 2009
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  13. mcvey

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    1 Pep
    2 Saddler
    3Armstrong
    4Driscoll
    5 McGovern
    6Sanchez
    7Attell
    8Arguello
    9Corbett
    10Miller
     
    mcvey, Dec 9, 2009
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  14. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    1..Willie Pep
    2..Sandy Saddler
    3..Abe Atell
    4..George Dixon
    5..Salvador Sanchez
    6..Kid Chocolate
    7..Vincente Saldivar
    8..Terry McGovern
    9...Eusebio Pedroza
    10..Henry Armstrong
     
    WhataRock, Dec 9, 2009
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  15. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    1. Willie Pep
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Sandy Saddler
    4. Jim Driscoll
    5. Abe Attell
    6. Salvador Sanchez
    7. Vicente Saldivar
    8. Terry McGovern
    9. Kid Chocolate
    10. Alexis Arguello
     
    the cobra, Dec 9, 2009
    the cobra, Dec 9, 2009
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