why do so many old timers look so bad on tape???

1. You criticised and laughed at MABs opponents speed when Winstone is relatively as slow as mollasses, with no snap at all in his jab. Decent technical skills but nothing special

2. So what only pre-90s fighters can go 15rounds? MAB fought at a faster more relentless pace than Saldivar anyway and has bucket loads of stamina.

Pacquaio beat MAB to the punch because hes quicker, MAB would beat Saldivar to the punch so what Pacquaio did with MAB is irrelevant. If Saldivar wants to exchange body shots with MAB he'll take a beating, MABs left to the body is 1 of the best in history

3. Your time's worthless, you should be humbled that I talk to your 'never boxed in your life' ass :good

 

Don't tell me you would pick Hamed over Winstone too?.I bet you would.Shameful.

Barrera wanted a way out against Pac from about half way through the fight.It was an appalling capitulation i have to say, and i'm a Barrera fan as well as any of these other gfighters.

 

"no snap at all in his jab".

C'mon now power, you're not even trying with the wind up merchant stuff anymore.

 

Within just over a year Laguna had beat Carlos Ortiz and drew with Loche in Argentina.

 

Barrera got white washed and didnt have any answers no doubt about it, Pacquaio's just all wrong for him, although I dont think he was at his best in 03, past prime by then and coming off a bad training camp because of the forrest fires, Pacquaio probably would always have been all wrong for him. Sad day for Baby Faced Assasasin fans

And yes I would pick the circa '95 Hamed Hamed's underrated rounds here and I don't rate Winstone

 

Again, point me out to where I did this. Until then I will not answer anything else you've posted.

 

Oh that. Nevermind. What does that have to do with me supposedly comparing Winstone and Famechon to Pacquiao?

 

He doesn't recoil it fast enough, there to be countered and thats why Saldivar kepting timing his right hook over the top over it, nice technical skills and a smooth boxer otherwise

 

Ezzard Charles genuinely looks like you could place him in the here and now and he would clean up the light-heavys for breakfast and have a pretty good time taking on the heavyweights for dinner. Absolute legend, I cant understand how he gets so underrated by 'boxing experts'.

 

maybe you dont know what your looking for?

 

I'll take full responsibility for turning this into Barrera vs Saldivar thread. I apologize to the thread starter.

I take Pea's points on board. It had slipped my mind that Saldivar would have had that big straight left hand that troubled Marco so much in 2003 when he lost to Manny Pacquiao. That said, Saldivar, for all of his strengths, did not possess fast hands and Marco had never ever shown an inability to deal with southpaws, it was only Manny he had trouble with. He beat a lot of southpaws in his time really. Enrique Sanchez, former champion, disposed of in efficient fashion, as was Paulie Ayala, Kevin Kelley, and Toledo. All former world champions. Obviously, Saldivar was a class above all of those guys.

I purposefully said, Barrera won win in a 12 round fight because I don't think it's fair to assume a fighter who's never been 15 rounds would be able to defeat someone who has, countless times. Marco never shown stamina issues in his prime, but as Pea says, Saldivar was drawn from the same cloth as an Arguello. Often enough they'd have competitive fights over the 10 round distance, but once the championship rounds kick in, the likes of Saldivar are doing their best work. This was evident in the fight I watched of his against Winstone on youtube.

We can all disagree, I just think it's a shame we have to often put Marco down in the process. He was a wonderful Featherweight, and defeated a lot of good fighters at 126lbs. The only guy to beat him there was Manny Pacquiao, who is reigning today as the world's best. I just have trouble seeing how a slower version of him would beat him in a 12 round fight. Saldivar looks cute, he throws nice combination's, and I love his patience. It's just like Marco, who just threw with better technique and with more explosiveness. In my judgment.

 

I agree it's best to avoid putting other fighters down unnecessarily to make a point, debates become too contentious and heavy handed to be worthwhile.Blame Power for that here.

 

Been bugging me for awhile Mantequilla, who's in your avatar mate?

 

same here for some reason i awas think Moon vs Konadu

 

That's not the issue here, Tin. I was pitching a head to head match-up between the two, and for all of Saldivar's achievements and the competition he defeated, we have to look at each other's skill set to guage how it would turn out. Would Saldivar win based on his more impressive resume at Featherweight? Not at all. That said, I am more than interested in hearing why some people here would think Saldivar would beat Barrera in a 12 round fight. That isn't me acting cocky, it's a genuine question.

Why would you personally favor Saldivar against Barrera in a 12 rounder at 126lbs? The question is open to all.