does marvin hagler defeat sugar ray leonard if fights i5 rounds..

hagler may of won if the fight had gone fifteen but the odds in one way were against hagler to get a decision. as long as leonard kept it close i believe leonard was always going to get the decision he was to much of a media idol/darling not to

 

Ignore him, you will learn that his views on SRL are the most delusional of anyone that ever lived.

He ranked SRL about no49 on his fkd up list.... that alone tells you the boy is not at all well.

 

I asked Hagler how he thought the rounds played a difference in the fight...

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Addie. Don't even respond to Rooster. He gets more attention than anyone else on here due to his crazy remarks that are so wide of the mark that he must be biased or winding people up. Just ignore him. :good

 

That's what I thought at first but reviewing some of his fights I reconsidered.

Nobody expects struggles from the likes of Howard or lalonde either but they did happen. I didnt expect a slapper like Geraldo to do what he did to leonard, sending him careening backwards towards. If not for the ropes he would have flown out of the ring

Ray's chin was, how shall we say, not the best you could ask for. A jolting shot from pretty much anyone would cause him major problems. ESBers have a problem understanding this.

speed seemed to be a real problem for Sugar so he rarely ever took a fight against an opponent that had any. he shined against the likes of Green and Finch but seemed to founder when it came to Norris and frankly, I felt embarassed for him.

How would they ever explain this in the upcoming Sport's Illustrated? They didnt

Anyways, if you have to pursue a career in remedial boxing, there's probably something wrong with you

 

There is a possibility that Marvin would've kayoed Ray in a fifteen rounder, but knowing Ray, he definitely would be prepared for that distance.

 

With Norris, he was eleven pounds under what he weighed against Lalonde and Norris was about ten years younger. Prior to Norris in 91, Leonard hadn't fought that low in 6-7 years. Come on now, be fair.

 

Correct:good bizzness is bizzness a las vegas decision was always on the cards here, i recall a vegas cabbie telling me that, who's best for vegas win's in vegas & we've had all we can get out of hagler!! who'd he fight next!!! he's done with here!!! SRL is the draw & he'll get the bums on seats er present company accepted sir & that'll be $22.00 but you can make it a round $40.00 if you wish

 

Let's be fair. I'm no fan of Leonard,but I did appreciate his boxing skills. He was shot by the time he got to Terry Norris.

 

it was for the good of the sport. Nobody really wanted Hagler around to begin with

 

Leonard won the fight...inside the ring. :good

 

SG, my take on it was different. Put the pieces of the picture together-his problems against TH in his role as a boxer, the suspicious layoffs and comebacks, the selection of opponents for his comeback including Lalonde, the avoidance of quality name fighters, namely Nunn, and it all becomes clear: he couldnt handle an opponent whom he would have been forced to take the fight to.

34 or not, he was far from shot. You dont become shot by dominating Duran the way he did

I'm not knocking him, it just happened to be a stylistic weakness of his which I spoke of after his fight with Hagler.

The perfect example of this is his back to back fights with Duran & Norris. Look what happens when presented with different styles of opponent, one man a plodder the other, a speedster-fast and athletic.

Contrast how he fares against the two styles: In the first he shined, toying with another frustrated opponent, winning every round and in the second he gets shown up by another speedster. I strongly suspected he'd have problems and most likely wind up hurt.

It all boils down to styles. Ray had just never fought anyone with his particular style and in the end couldnt handle it as I had been saying.

I certainly can't award him something he doesnt deserve like

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if he cant handle a stern test :nono

I really can't respect a man that comes out of retirement just for scraps (Hagler)

A win over Micheal Nunn would have made a believer out of me, then he would actually deserve his title of fighter of the decade. People like Bill Butcher are way too anxious to push his name through.

A much better choice would be Hagler who was the much more proven fighter.

 

I'm glad you feel that way. Now all you have to do is convince the rest of us.

Close but no cigar

 

I have always thought he would have. (Hagler would have defeated Leonard over 15, that is)