Put these little guys in order of greatness.

I wouldn't say so. I figure outside of Carbajal and possibly Gonzalez that Yuh loses to the top 108 pounders, whereas Moon had the ability to beat any of the top 115 pounders.

 

I'm pretty comfortable in ranking Foreman ahead of Byrd.

I think Moon was just a physical monster. Not only crushing power, but undeniable will, stamina, and durability. A very hard mixture to beat when you take into account his extremely unorthodox punching style and relentless offense. Whether or not you respect those attributes in comparison to learned technical acumen is irrelevant to whether or not they were as effective in the ring, which they clearly were at least in his case and the case of quite a few others.

 

I doubt anyone would argue against Yuh being better technically than Moon.

Moon was the worst of all the high profile Korean fighters,-possibly even the worst of all the top asian fighters -from a technical perspective.He's a bit like the Marciano of asian boxing.

 

I can sympathise there.Not a huge fan of unskilled toilers myself, even the huge punching or otherwise truly elite ones.

But you have to seperate that from their inherent effectriveness as fighters.

 

tell me what you think about it

Similar to mine

Chang
Lopez
Gushiken
Zapata
Roman
Moon
Yuh
Gonzalez
Carbajal

Actually i think Lopez had a good punching style to trouble Chang as long, hard, straight, textbook shots did trouble Chang at times. But i also think Chang has a good style to beat Lopez's overrall style.

Also, Chang dosent worry about styles he is a style breaker.

Interesting one but i have always seen Chang just being too relelntless and can take the iniative from Gushiken and not give him a chance to get set and allow Chang to swarm all over him as i think Gushiken needs to be in controll of a fight.

Well if you take it away its not really Moon then is it. That is part of him like it or lump it it makes him good fighter but he knows how to use it so surely thats a skill.

 

Moon's destruction of a faded Roman is up on Youtube, though it doesn't really give too much sense of what a prime for prime bout between the two would've been like. I'd probably have favored Moon there as well, though. Roman was always just a bit too small I think to handle Moon's power and aggression. I could be wrong, though.

Both of his fights with Konadu used to be up. Now only the first bout is, albeit in pretty poor quality. Great fight though. The rematch was just a blow-out for Moon.

His blitzing of Ernesto Ford is another good one to watch that's available (again though, the quality is pretty damn poor). Noone is going to claim Moon was any kind of technical savant, or a particularly pleasing fighter to the eye. But the guy was undeniably very effective with the tools he brought to the table. An iron fist, a granite chin, relentless aggression, unbreakable will, and a high workrate of unorthodox punching is always going ot be tough to beat regardless of the opponent's technical prowess.

 

i understand its annoying when theres fighters like that but they need to learn how to use that talent they have been given to make it effective. Your not telling me really Moon had no skill of course he did his skill was being able to maximise his god given talent.

 

Don't understand this to be honest.

Moon faced a higher calibre of opponent.

Also, just because he didn't focus so much on technique, doesn't mean it's 'easy' to swing like he did for as long as he could, take the punches he could and most importantly BEAT some very good fighters using the same style. Also, the fact he didn't have a massive amount of technical skill made it harder for him surely, because he could only do one thing but had to do it well, and ship punishment doing it.

In short, as he was very one dimensional you think people could have figured out a gameplan to beat him? Not really, he would just walk through everything.

Kaokor beat him really well, but as has already been noted Moons trainer died the night before the fight. He was not as there as me might've been, although Kaokor to his credit put on a masterful display against a stubborn opponent.

I think Moon is quality, regardless of him not having many nuances and streamlined technical aspects, he cut off the ring well, was resiliant, hard to beat and ferocious.

I hold all effective fighters in high regard regardless of style.

 

But he did his job effectivly though didnt he?

his skills is landing on his opponent, getting your feet planted correctly, getting power in his shots.

He was a good fighter due to his talent but for talent to be effective it has to be used well and he used it well he was aggresive and kept a high pace.