Put these little guys in order of greatness.

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I have no desire to dispute any of your points. Well said. But I'd have rather been Moon, who did face better opposition, but didn't go into every fight knowing despite being about 4-5 levels above his opponent, he's going to have to work for 12 rounds regardless. In that respect, Moon had it easy in comparison.
     
  2. Flea Man

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    Well, surely thats down to Yuh not maximising his chosen style, and making things harder for himself (which I personally don't think is true) and Moon definitely had to work hard in all his fights.
     
  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I've never denied that Moon was effective with the style he had, but I don't think he maximized it. Nor do I think it took a genius to work out that throwing a lot of punches and keeping a high pace would be a benefit for someone who hit hard.

    What's your favorite Moon display, Greg?
     
  4. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    It had to do with Myung-Woo Yuh not having the firepower, despite all of his efforts with a high work rate, to get his man out of there. Like I said earlier, power is god-given and as hard as Yuh worked in the gym, and as much as he sacrificed, he was never going to be a heavy hitter. Yuh couldn't go into the gym and learn how to hit like George Foreman, but Moon could have worked more on fundamentals and his punching technique.
     
  5. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As an aside Moon was speculated to have been showing signs of brain damage as early as the second half of his reign, hence the brief career most likely.He regularly sparred with lightweights and welterweights, which was thought to be a big contributor to the vegetable like state he is in now.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Would've made him less effective IMO. I understand you prefer more 'aesthetically pleasing' styles, and I can totally see where you're coming from. But someones style cannot be criticised when it is proven as effective. It's a tough one, because Moon has such an 'anti-style'. With certain fighters you could say 'needs to prove less susceptible to right hands' or 'would've been more effective if he turned over his left hook better' but Moon is so one track mind and an utter destroyer but in such a horrible way it's hard to change anything without giving him a complete overhaul, and then we'd be talking about another fighter.
     
  7. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Didn't know that. What a shame.
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I like the Ford fight personally pretty destructive also the 2nd Konadu fight is a good display

    ****, didnt know he had brain damage not great to here
     
  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I don't think I'm criticizing his style, I'm just saying that I think Yuh was a better when we consider all factors. Power, technique, defensive ability, foot work, all of these things...I think Yuh comes out on top on most of them. But he never had the equalizer Moon possessed nor the physical strength.

    Yup. I didn't know Moon had brain damage either. Not a fan of him, but that's a damn shame.
     
  10. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some fighters just can't seem to do things, that in theory they should be doing given their style or talent level.calzaghe's appalling punching form being a great recent example.

    Despite obviously doing a lot of work on his fundamentals and being able to deliver punches properly at last half the time, Yuh was obviously never really a great natural puncher.

    Yet Moon couldn't throw a nice straight punch or textbook hook if his life depended on it.However the leverage thing was a natural talent he had anyway.
     
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    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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  12. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good bump of a quality thread filled with quality posters who many don’t post here anymore. Takes me back to the days when you could still have a conversation about non heavyweights around here.
     
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  13. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I'd say Lopez was #1, and #2 maybe Carbajal

    On Chang the best he fought beat him, he retired at a young age, and fought too many people in his home nation, never setting foot in Europe or the USA to prove it. I get it, he's quick, flashy and defensive, but he's also short and has just okay power.
     
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  14. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol you really know nothing about Chang! But thanks I needed that.
     
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  15. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I'd say Lopez was #1, and #2 maybe Carbajal

    On Chang the best he fought beat him, he retired at a young age, and fought too many people in his home nation, never setting foot in Europe or the USA to prove it. I get it, he's quick, flashy and defensive, but he's also short and has just okay power


    My words are correct.

    Did he lose to the best fighters he fought?

    Did his prime go quickly?

    How often did he fight a ranked guy out of his country?

    Yeah, I thought so. I’m not saying he wasn’t worthy of the hall of fame.