Ali & Floyd: Arrogant and Funny vs Arrogant and Abrasive

So are you saying that Frasier is a *****?

Cause he sure didnt took what Ali said lightly.

 

yeah that is messed up but why would Frazier get mad about being called a gorilla...everyone knows black people are allowed to say racist things about other black people...same goes for every other race as well, i think

 

I think you guys are making this debate far more complex than it needs to be. Ali was a huge pro-wrestling fan, and he took 90% of his schtik from the heel wrestelers of the day. Floyd tries to do the same thing. The difference is, Ali was really good at emulating those guys, but Floyd sucks at it.

 

I will be supporting the dude especially if he knocks out Manny but please he cannot say he is being segregated against, afterall he is one of top earners of the year in boxing. Yes he would be more popular if he was white cos he would have a cross over appeal but why waste precious time even mentioning or thinking about that.

Floyd plays the bad guy and as a good bad guy he is going to be hated not loved and he should expect that.

Ali did so many things in his career apart from demolishing his foes in the ring, he stood up to the Government for one and gained a legions of fans for that. Plus he was a hell of a talker and quite a good looking man to boot.

 

Come on, those that know of Ali's career, knew his humour was always tongue in cheek. Yes he perhaps did go over the top with Frazier, and his regret in doing so is well documanted.

In regards to Ali and Floyd, the differences between the two are day and night.

Ali had character, he had charisma, and most importantly he was very intelligent (both inside and outsidethe ring). The social conditions during his time were painfully crying out for a confident and strong black man, and Ali brought this in abundance. He was a champion inside the ring, and perhaps was bigger champion outside it. His contribution to the black community was ridiculously massive, and it happened at a time when it was desperately needed. His success and fame brushed off on to other people, and was a source of inspiration for millions.

Floyd on the other hand, has no sense of humour about him. His character is far from being witty, and he has very little charisma as people find it very difficult to warm to him. He annoys the haters, the neutrals, and even those that love and respect his ability. He lives in a world where success is available to anyone who works hard for it, without the fear of being held back due to the colour of your skin (the exact opposite of what Ali had). How has he used this success? He builds a persona and behaviour which resembles the character of millions of other flash and brash people we see on MTV.

Notice the difference between the public persona of the two? Ali deserves the extended love and praise he gets, whereas Floyd deserves the very little he gets.

 

Because Ali took it public, and because things are only a joke when both sides see the humor.

 

Great Post :good

 

People are acting like we have not had legions of black great fighters. Tyson was the biggest fighter in modern times, black.

This isn't Tyson we're talking about, its Floyd.
Greatest defensive fighter in modern times but defence doesn't sell tickets offense does. That's just how it is guys, that simple.
And ****, Floyd is huge, biggest next to Pac who's asian, so why the race card?

 

Frazier was a touchy feely kind of dude that has his own issues despite being Americas champion. Ali said things that Frazier took as serious whether they were or not me or you do not know. Thats between them two. But on the outside... if you get hurt by the kind of Ali **** talking than I dont know what to say. Have you even been to high school..lol. There are dudes in life that cross the line all the time. If you want to **** them up that is your peragotive but some just dont take **** talking serious.

 

Bull**** ass post.

 

I dont mind Ali's trash talking cause he always backed the **** he said in the ring against the best fighters of his era,i was just pointing out that some guys like Frasier didnt react well to the things he said.

 

You're simply making **** up. You talk about Ali's intelligence yet, Ali failed a military apptitude test. He wasn't very smart at all. And he was aboslutely despised for the longest time. Go watch some old Ali fights and you'll hear everyone boing the **** out of him. Ali was much more hated than Floyd is now. The majority of hate that Floyd gets is from the media, internet forum fans who pay way too much attention to every little thing these guys do or say. I want someone to tell me when Floyd has ever belittled any opponent as much as Ali did on a frequent basis. When has Floyd ever said anything near as controversial and devisive as some of the things Ali said? Again, I like Ali. I liked his attitude and the way he went about his business. But to suggest that Floyd is abrassive and that Ali wasn't is not even close to reality.

 

It cracks me the **** up everytime I hear now-a-days white dudes talk about how it was back then vs now. You pretty much are the most ignorant on the subject. How many blacks over 60 have you talked to. How many people who lived through the civil rights era. It was the same then as the same now. There were people that said the same thing that dude Rico said. "The opportunity is there and equal for everyone. (most of the time it comes those who did well for themselves)" I know about past history of blacks in America from talking to ****ing blacks in America that lived it. I know what institutional racism is. It aint a ****ing deck of cards.

 

Again, I have to ask you to observe the times he was living in. A time when black people were blatantly second class citizens. The thought of a black person being young, confident, witty, talented, and possessing an unyielding heart, was obviously going to be something alien. Never before had a member of the black community dared to possess and flaunt himself in such a way, so obviously the racist American public were gonna resent him! Resent him to a level that none of us will ever experience. Only when Ali began backing up his talk, did everyone realize "wow, this man is something special". It took a while for the wider community to accept and appreciate him for the person we've come to know him as now.

Yes Ali's trademark of mocking opponents is second to none, and Floyd is no where near as sinful this regards. But again I have to stress, the manner in which Ali did this, was tongue in cheek, executing it in an entertaining and hilarious manner. Floyd on the other hand, fails miserably in replicating this, and gives off the impression he actually means his stuff (look at the Oscar and Hatton build ups).

Also, this thread about funny vs abrasive, isn't limited to attitude to opponents. It's takes in to account many other aspects of a persons behaviour in the media spotlight. Like I said in my previous post, the two men are incomparable, as both are very different people

Edit: I forgot to mention the intelligence bit. I was referring to his incredible intelligence, in regards to how he knew perfectly how to utilize his talent and persona in the media spotlight, to gain worldwide recognition (somethin I doubt FLoyd will ever come close to doing)