Edwin Rosario?

Drugs, and a surprising KO loss to Primo Ramos held him back during his prime years. By the time he came into the limelight he really was past his peak.

 

Man is that Bramble stoppage fantastic. Six and seven punch combos thrown perfectly.

How do you guys see JMM - Rosario playing out? I guess the smart pick has to be Chapo.

 

Edwin started out impressively, but what hurt him was his love of his power, he probably could have had a greater career.

 

Since ive been a fan he's one of the top 5 pure punchers ive seen.
I agree that he seemed better before he won the title ,he was a better boxer and looked much more fluid on the way up. His ko over Viruet was awesome,Viruet had taken Durans best and gave Duran a difficult fight. Rosario walked thru him,that was before Edwin won the title and everyone was Pumping him up to be the Next Duran.

 

Like many punchers he relied so much on power that he neglected defense at times. It is very hard in boxing history to find a hard puncher who had great defense. Rosario was a good boxer and had a great jab, but when he was landing he went off on the guy and then he would sacrifice stamina and defense. He goes down as HOF, but not ATG. His win over Bramble was incredible. He turned a pretty good champion into an easy demolition, and that was not luck he beat up Bramble in a similar way Hearns beat up Duran. They hit them clean for two rounds and finished them in round 2. Not one punch knockouts, but power exhibits nonetheless.

 

That Chavez fight showed just how much better Chavez was then most guys who were champs then, because Rosario would give everyone a tough fight. I thought Camacho won that fight. Rosario hurt him, but relied too much on power in that fight. The rounds he won were the ones he hurt Hector, but then Hector would then win more of the rounds in between and I thought he pulled it out. To give Hector credit, most guys wouldn't have taken that punch and survived round 5. The problem is that Hector Camacho never fought great again.

 

Valero is ****.

 

Personally think Marquez has the powers of recovery, power and ring intelligence to beat Rosario.

 

I actually agree with you:shock: However I could also see Rosario scoring a sensational ko,but Marquez gets this 2out of 3.

 

That's the way I see it. :good Rosario would win one of a series: must consider that whilst evidently more offensive and powerful, Lightweight Marquez is an ageing one.

 

You've got to think Marquez would fight a smarter fight in this one than he did against Diaz. His powers of recovery are excellent but it would be asking a lot to absorb that kind of volume off of a true puncher.

In any case, I'm on a mission to educate myself on the lightweights of the 80s. The division is a little bit of a waste land lately, everybody seems to be treating it like a way station instead of setting up shop and campaigning.

 

I think about this long and hard when considering Marquez in potential Lightweight matchups. Pac whacked very hard and would come in as over 135lbs in their rematch; The extra weight has added to his punching power no doubt but Marquez proved in that fight that he could take punches off a massive puncher 'in that area' IMO although at Lightweight I feel Rosario had the bigger one shot power. Put it this way, I don't think he would have had to beat up David Diaz for that long before leaving him on the canvas in a similar fashion to what Manny did.

But Manny retaining his speed whilst growing into bigger weights has made his power almost supernatural, it's unreal.

 

Interestingly, Ramirez said in no uncertain terms after his first match with Rosario that Edwin was a much harder puncher than Arguello. (This was before the rematch where Ed dropped Jose twice before folding up.) Alexis was more about placement, precision and timing than raw power though, zeroing in on vulnerable points with laser accuracy. Rosario was the first major beneficiary of the abolition of the championship distance, winning his first match with Ramirez exclusively because it was scheduled for 12 rounds, and he was fading badly at the end.

 

Chapo was a demon offensively...without a formidable defense, you're screwed (unless you had the exceptional balls, chops, and durability to take it straight to him - ill-advised but for true studs).

A perfect example of lower-weight inhabitants aging in an unfavorable sense of the word at a more advanced rate than their heavier counterparts. Of course, there were other factors at play with Rosario, but even taking his recreational vices into account...

Compare exhibit A (5 years pre-Chavez)
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with Exhibit B a decade later (and 5 years post-Chavez)

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It's too bad Chapo-Flaco never came off, even though Arguello likely would have knocked the crap out of him.

It's a VERY good thing he never got his title shot at a prime De La Hoya before passing. It would have been senseless carnage, and he may have met an even more gruesome end as a result.