Wladimir Klitschko DESTROYS Ali

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Discuss.
     
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  2. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Like he destroyed Sultan Ibragimov?
     
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  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Knowing something about Cross Trainer, this is likely an attempt to get a heated debate going, even though he really doesn't believe in the gist of his own thread title.....

    I have been a member of this forum since early 2007, and frankly, although the intent is harmless and humerous in nature, I think we have had enough of these threads.

    The Klitschko brothers are very good fighters who are worthy of a reasonable amount of respect, but they are not by any means all time greats, and nor should they be mocked by their detractors.

    Let's leave a dead horse lie........
     
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  4. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Late 1970s Ali?
    Early 1980s Ali?
    Laila Ali?

    I agree.

    Wlad wouldn't be a real easy fight for a prime Ali, but I don't think he wins, either.
     
    Thread Stealer, Dec 16, 2009
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  5. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    Destroyed may be a bit too strong of a word.
     
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  6. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    All right, confession time:

    I'm generally a pro-old timer guy. Or maybe just inclined to root for the underdog (I've argued once that Fitzsimmons would beat Liston. Oh for shame...)

    Regardless, old-versus-new debates have been in the back of my mind for a while. The idealistic part of me--not to mention the boxing analyst--would like to believe that prime-for-prime fantasy matchups between 1970s fighters and modern fighters would be equal affairs.

    The cynic in me disagrees.

    Boxing is VERY different today than it was during Ali's time. Not style-wise, but the other stuff. Modern training methods are definitely better for preparing fighters physically. The world population is larger by a country mile. The demographics have shifted. Even amateur boxing has changed.

    If Ali and Klitschko fought, I'm tempted to expect one of two outcomes. Either:

    1) The version of the sport in the 1960s and 70s produced superior talent, and Ali trounces Klitschko. This is supported in part by Foreman's and Holmes' successful comebacks.

    2) The version of the sport in the 2000's has produced a better brand of athlete. Wlad annihilates Ali. This is the version that modern sports science would argue for.




    Personally, I prefer middle-of-the-road stuff...but this thread is about CONTROVERSY! CONFLICT! RADICAL DISAGREEMENT! All the nifty stuff that we could use more of (as long as it's reasonably polite). After all, this is a boxing forum.



    Have at it, gentlemen! :fire
     
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  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    A near-perfect shutout of "The Greatest of All Time" would definitely qualify as "destruction". Arguably more than a knockout. :think
     
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  8. TheBradyHawkes

    TheBradyHawkes ۞ Full Member

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    Indeed. I think we replace that with "loses to" and we're all set.
     
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  9. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    You say that as if it's a bad thing.
     
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  10. KOTF

    KOTF Bingooo Full Member

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    What does it matter, they both get taken to school by Jimmy Young
     
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  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    And Tua. Can't forget Tua.
     
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  12. LeonMcS

    LeonMcS The Mayor of Kronkton Full Member

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    You forget Bergeron.
     
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  13. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Eliminate weight classes, Koki Kameda disposes of them both in the same night, both first-round knockouts-no, not TECHNICAL knockouts, but straight knockouts. Flat on the canvas, asleep, at least 20 minutes of coma.
     
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  14. KTFO

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    Word. Bigtime.
     
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  15. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Although overall the top HWs have become worse overall, Wlad bucks that trend.

    Ali has no way whatsoever to beat a prime Wlad.

    Jab, jab, jab, right from a safe distance, with no knockout power to worry about.
     
    China_hand_Joe, Dec 17, 2009
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