Would Dave Sands have beaten Randy Turpin....

if the fight had ever been made? And did Turpin outright duck him or simply not press that hard for the fight to come off on account of Sands being too high risk/low reward? I'm not convinced that Sands ko'ing Dick Turpin like he did has as much to do with it as some accounts would have it.

I was going to do a more in-depth thread on Sands but got derailed slightly, so I'll settle for this. Plus whether or not old Davey boy should have had a crack at the title before tragedy interposed itself. He'd already beat Olson - who went on to get the shot - in October 51, so was it the loss to Yolande Pompey the following month that derailed the train?

Be interested to hear the Aussie perspective on this one......

 

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Cheers fella. I've become really interested in Sands lately.

Right, I'll keep this going with my own posts....

 

I'd say that he was at or around his peak flea (Turpin, that is). There had been talk of the two of them meeting both before and after Turpin won and lost the title. It apparently began when Sands starched Dick Turpin in the first round for the British Empire title. There are some conflicting reports detailing why Sands never got a crack at Turpin, though it looks to me as though Turpin just didn't want the fight without blatantly ducking Sands at the same time.

And Cerdan looks excellent against Zale, who was still the champion and a dangerous man despite looking like an old slipper by that point. In fact, Cerdan looks pretty impressive full stop, a fair thing when you consider that we might not have actually seen him at his best. The aggressive tactics he deployed against Zale didn't pay off against LaMotta though - understandably.

 

Well that's essentially what I saw in him, though he could be a pretty good aggressive counterpuncher at times. I'm not sure how much other footage of him exists, but I think what you see against Zale is effectively what he actually was.

He tried bulling LaMotta early doors and was coming off second best when he hurt his shoulder during a clinch, which only made it a matter of time really before he packed in on his stool. Obviously the rematch never off because of the tragic circumstances, but I tend to think that Cerdan would have had a hard time against LaMotta under any circumstances. An uninjured shoulder would've helped his cause no doubt.


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Against Jose Ferrer for the European Welterweight title in 42.

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Against LaMotta.

 

Nay worries sir.

Btw, does anybody know what footage of Sands is available if any?

 

One of the reasons why I don't put much stock in the theory of Turpin avoiding Sands based upon Sands KO'ing the other Turpin.

 

This seems to be the definitive consensus concerning Sands. I was speaking to an old Aussie chap not too long ago in Whitianga (New Zealand) who thought that Sands was better than Rose, Carruthers, Famechon, Fenech, Tszyu et al. Said that he was one of the best he'd ever seen.