Sugar Shane v Berto on Sky Sports

Some great fights to start the year off...:good

Has Hatton signed a deal with Sky...:think Hatton will serve up some cracking shows...

 

And Berto's resume is much better, considering his best achievement is going life-and-death with a guy Mosley pissed all over?

The first DLH/Mosley fight was a pretty clear win for Mosley. If you're going to be skeptical about that win, you can very easily be skeptical about Mosley's loss to Cotto. (I had it a draw.) And when you dismiss the battering of Margarito, the clear wins over naturally much bigger and stylstically nightmarish guys like Vargas and Mayorga and the first DLH victory (which was a close but clear win, and one which Mosley made a double jump-up in weight to make), you just sound like a dumb hater.

Anyway, who's Pacquiao beaten? Washed-up versions of Barrera and Morales? Disputed decisions to Marquez? Weight-drained DLH, or Cotto who the "overrated" Margarito had ruined? Ricky Hatton? You can do similarly partial things with any record.

 

I don't really think that my argument was that Berto's resume was better than Mosleys.

From memory, a draw was about the most favourably you could score that for Mosley.

I didn't dismiss the performance against Margarito, I dismissed the fact that the world had gone completely mad prior to that fight and Margarito was somehow by consensus considered in the top six P4P fighters in the world. That was a complete joke.

The Vargas and DLH fights were the ones I was giving Mosley credit for, if you read what I wrote. But those are all a few years ago now. I'll stay with Mayorga being shot though.

 

Margarito was rightly feared when he fought Shane.

Even taking away the wraps angle, it's a very good win.

 

Berto aint no Punchbag Margarito, one fight too far for Sugar Shane I think

 

Well, your entire post was an assault on Mosley's record above 135, and you concluded from that that Berto would beat him. Presumably, you think there's some connection there - or was it just an uncontrollable outburst?

I think you're getting the first and second fights confused. Almost everyone thinks Mosley won the first (Lederman had it for Mosley by four.) Else post your scorecard.

Make me a list of all the fighters that have ever beat Antonio Margarito convincingly. I'll start it off for you: Shane Mosley.

Margo had just ran over Cotto (who was undeniably the man at 147 at the time). For an old man to not only stand up to that kind of pressure but to hammer the guy around the ring and to ravage what was thought to be an unassailable chin at the time is pretty impressive.

Two wins over Vargas and a win over an all-but prime DLH - especially given the manner of the victory; Mosley won it basically by out-slugging a man two weight-divisions above him - are definitely not the hallmarks of an "over-rated" record.

 

Will he?

Why break the habbit of a lifetime?

 

Others have already noted the age factor, inactivity factor and Berto's speed which I didn't repeat but also consider relevant.

My comment was just that, a comment, not intended as a comprehensive anaysis of all the factors which may influence how the fight goes. If I'd known the degree of knickertwistedness that it would cause you clearly I would have written and focused accordingly instead of bashing out a few thoughts in between watching the cricket and doing the washing up....

Cotto and Mosley?

I saw Margarito as primarily a stylistic victory (plus I never rated Cotto as highly as some did). There's no proof of any wrongdoing in this fight, so we'll leave that, but Cotto outboxed Margarito in the early stages but got outlasted and broken down. Nothing wrong with that, but one such performance doesn't make a P4P fighter in my book.

 

Margy had beaten Clottey, Cintron, was putting the heat on Williams big time down the stretch after a slow start... it was a good win. Was he a p4p fighter - probably top ten I guess in most peoples books.

 

The Sky Sports site has it as 10pm on the Sunday. Delayed coverage?? :?

 

I think Mosley could take him out when you consider Collazo had him hurt.

However if Mosley has slipped in terms of reflexes and general ring skills, then Berto could easily take it.

 

Great news, well done Sky! ...still waiting for ESPN to step up their game though. Here's hoping

 

Brilliant!! Sky Sports love Berto.... get the feeling the HBO commentating team don't, Lederman had a shocking scorecard against Collazo, laughable, and he has the nerve to insult other judges!?!

 

This is good news yeah. Shame they aren't showing the Pavlik fight this weekend even though it's on their "fixtures" list.