According to ESPN the Magazine, the Next Great American Heavyweight is . . .

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  1. Club Fighter

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    potentially one of the following three ex-football players now fighting out of Lucky Street Gym in Hollywood, Fl:

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    Quadtrine Hill - A 27 year-old ex-Miami Hurricane fullback whose college career didn't quite pan out how he'd hoped and went undrafted in the 2006 NFL Draft. He made it onto a few NFL teams as an undrafted free agent but was subsequently waived by each of them before even playing a single game from 2006 through 2007. Left with no other prospects, the 6' 2" 230 lb. Hill was scooped up by successful entrepreneur, Kris Lawrence, to head his crop of ex-football star heavyweights at Lucky Street Gym in Florida. Sticks and moves, likes to practice the art of hitting without getting hit.



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    Carlton Baker - An ex-Memphis Tiger linebacker who never made it to the pros. He grew up rough and struggles with authority issues. Possesses good power and loves to hit. Also around 6' 2" 230 lbs., Baker possesses the confidence and desire or, better yet, desperation necessary to climb the ranks of the slipshod heavyweight division and he's eager to compete. If it were up to him he'd have already been fighting pro this year despite his limited experience.



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    Clive Lowe - A 6' 3" 240 lb ex-Montana State Bobcat linebacker who doesn't necessarily possess the amount of confidence and awareness of the other two although against the current crop of American heavies he shows much promise. The 26 year-old likes to bang, so he's the anti-Kevin Johnson which is exactly what the current American heavyweight landscape needs. Seems happy to be able to compete and is less assured of his potential future status as a serious heavyweight contender. Steamrolled the competition all the way up to the final in a Florida Golden Gloves tournament where he met up with Quadtrine Hill who halted him in his tracks with a TKO victory.

    All three are tentatively scheduled to make their pro debuts in February 2010. I plan to follow their careers. If they wind up making a splash in the HW division it would lend some credence to the theory that the best American heavyweights are indeed on the gridiron, hardwood, or diamond . . . especially since these are guys who couldn't make it to the upper echelons of their previous sport.

    Let's all bow our heads and pray.
     
  2. AceNguyen

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    I like the idea of getting great athletes to become heavyweights, but I think it just might be too late to learn to box at an elite level. Look at what happened to Derric Rossy against a much smaller but true boxer in Eddie Chambers. Still, guys like Wilder show promise and he's new to the sport. If just one of these athletes are a prodigy, it'll be worth the experiment.

    I read the article and it seems as though Hill is the best of the bunch, winning some small amateur tournaments and planning to turn pro early next year. I remember that he wasn't much of a running back at Miami, but hopefully his boxing career turns out better.
     
  3. ringsider

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    They are nothing and will be nothing but tomato cans.....like Ed "Too Tall" Jones was......
     
  4. nickfoxx

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    i wonder if they fought in the amateurs
     
  5. JMP

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    Interesting read, but myself...I wouldn't put too much faith in them.
     
  6. FlatNose

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    It cracks me up. They can't make it in their first chosen sport, like Michael Grant, or they're washed up, like Too Tall Jones, and they figure that they'll be successful at boxing. As if it doesn't take a lifetime of dedication. Even though heavyweight boxing of today is pathetic,these Johnny come lately's wouldn't ever even reach the skill level to compete with mediocrities like Chagaev or Igbragimov who at least have a decade or two of training and practice. It's really arrogent of second class athletes to believe they would have a chance.
     
  7. Club Fighter

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    Man, I'll admit I'm grasping at straws. I'm hoping for anything to revitalize the American HW scene. I know it's not easy to go from one sport to the next and repeat the success one had in the previous sport but I'll take anything, man. I know Jordan failed . . . but Sanders and Jackson excelled. It appears that the late converts to boxing don't possess the drive. Like a Kendall Gill, for example. The guy was a 6'5" Cruiserweight. I know he started boxing when most are preparing to retire but all the physical gifts were there. There's not many guys out there who could match up with an athletic, nimble 6'5" Cruiserweight. I'd just like to see one of these late converts really try to fulfill his potential, that's all. I'd be happy with that.

    Too Tall never really tried . . . and he also never lost.

    Hell, man, if I shouldn't put too much faith in them then who should I put faith in in this dismal American HW scene?
     
  8. gorgse

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    if you look at the history of the HW division, all the top condenders had years of amature experience and hundreds of fights prior to becoming pro. You just can't be well muscled and think thats all it takes. These guys will get crushed as soon as they meet someone with experience, but for now let them feast on tommato cans, it can be fun to see someone with confidence getting KFO by a seasoned pro.
     
  9. gorgse

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    had to look up Clive Lowe, since we both were bobcat linebackers in our past, they guy is not a elite ex-football athelete by any means, he only played one game :p. Not going to be a great representitive of "what if they all went to boxing".
     
  10. Rhino718

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    Pal, you cant just be big and athletic and walk into a gym and think that you can compete on a world class level. This wont prove a thing. Great boxers usually start at a very young age. This aint a movie dog :bart
     
  11. GregDempsey

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    yes they are big strong and good athletes..but guys like the klitschkos started out young and are also big and strong..think about it..russia has 150 million people..with the other old soviet block countries like the ukraine having about the same population as the usa....gentically they are big people...so a decent percentage of men will be heavyweights...then they are poor and hungry..they have the boxing base....boxing is all overthe place..many highschools have boxing as a sport..and they dont have a sport like american football pulling away big strong guys... the guys mentioned may well have the athletic potential to have been great fighters if they started young..but starting at the point they are starting..they will stand no chance for the heavyweight championship of the world.
     
  12. Club Fighter

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    I don't think a lot of you guys are recognizing what these guys are up against. They're not up against the crop pf 70s-era American HWs. No American HW right now competes on a world class level. They're up against Kevin "I'm-too-scared-to-throw-a-punch/my-mouth-moves-faster-than-my-hands" Johnson, John "the bearhug" Ruiz, Chris "the buffet" Arreola, Tony "I-don't-even-deserve-a-nickname" Thompson, Eddie "I-was-born-a-cruiserweight" Chambers, and the rest of the unremarkable crew. These aren't exactly world-beaters here. An exceptional athlete could, in theory, surpass these individuals as they are nowhere near the apex of boxing. Hell, I'd be delighted if a pure athlete cleared these guys out just on pure athleticism alone. I'd be a little less depressed. I'm prayin' Arreola finds the will and desire to watch what he eats because he's the only hope we have left.
     
  13. GregDempsey

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    well if your saying maybe they can compete with americans? fine..thats possible...but they will never be world class.
     
  14. gorgse

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    yea, they might not be against much domestically, but internationally they are screwed.
     
  15. joe namath's gin

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    They've fought their battles. In the streets of hard knocks. Warriors, all of them... Warriors.