What Does Haye Have To Do To Gain Your Respect?

I think he has to beat a few contenders and then fight a Klit, not necessarily beat one. I think part of the problem is that he gets his shots(and bails) due to his big mouth, and not his current achievements. So, let him fight a HW contender or 2, then take on a Klit and he'll have earned my respect. Of course if he takes on a Klit sooner rather than later and wins, then he will have earned some respect too, for sure.

 

Another subtle point that Haye fans refuse to comprehend.

While they bleat and bleat and bleat about Haye being undisputed Cruiser champion they neglect to give the full story.

Haye fought in and won two title fights against mediocre opponents in the worst division in boxing.

How the hell is that impressive? It isn't. Which is why they bleat about being undisputed instead. Cause at least that sounds impressive.

It was like how Haye fans were so quick to describe Valuev as a 7+ foot tall monster. But they seemed reluctant to use his actual name when they did so.

Because beating Valuev isn't impressive. Beating a 7+ foot tall monster at least sounds impressive.

They are also quick to use this image of a monster as their justification for Haye's shocking and humiliating performance. "You don't stand and trade with a 7 foot beast" etc etc.

They then go bleating about how Haye travelled to fight Mormeck and Valuev. Like that is something amazing.
Ignoring the fact that he was the challenger in both fights. How common do you think it is for a challenger to travel to try to pick up a belt? It happens all the time. Yet when Haye does it, it's phenomenal.

Haye may go on to achieve something impressive. So far he has failed to do so.
The only impression he has made is as an unpleasant person who lies, acts like a tool and likes to **** around with other fighters without actually fighting them - a serial dissappointment whose single most amazing ability has to do with attracting the most ******ed fans in all of boxing history.

 

Rack up some wins against the top heavyweights and knock some of them out, then fight Vitali and beat him. That would impress me a lot.

 

Yep. Haye may be WBA champ but to me he remains unproven, especially at HW.


Valuev had been squeaking by on very debatable, quirky, and, some might say, corrupt, decisions for some time now. Valuev has not had a single dominant performance against any top-tier HW.


Chagaev beat Valuev more convincingly than Haye. Also, Haye, claiming to bringing back excitement to the HW div, turned out a performance uglier than KJ-Vit and as ugly as vintage Ruiz fights and the Ibragimov fight with Wlad, whom Haye has the nerve to call "cure for insomnia".

 

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They also keep repeating he clearly outlanded Valuev with clean punches, which is total bull****. There are rounds where he only threw a single combination. I've seen him not land anything for a solid 4:30 minutes, and still Sky was admiring his tactics. The drunk audience went insane over a jab to the chest for ****s sake.

 

Haye will earn my respect by simply knocking out or decisively winning a fight against any top ten heavyweight.

Any top ten Heavyweight!!

So far he's beaten Bonin, Barrett, and barely won a decision against Valuev at the Heavyweight level...nothing to get excited about.

 

Enter the ring against a top heavyweight and fight him like all his trash talk demands.

His performance against Valuev, who lost his last fight on every scorecard but the judges, was disgraceful. Nothing beastly about him, one of the worst heavyweight champions ever.

 

Haye was in a shitty division. He can't be blamed for that. It is similar to how the Klits can't be blamed for the state of the Heavy division. But the Klits have made a damn good attempt to clear out the division.
Haye fans are so quick to say that the Klits are **** because the Heavy division is **** - then so quick to bleat on about Haye being undisputed cruiser champ!

Let's put it this way. IIRC Wlad has had something like 17 title fights (I think, might need to double check that). He has taken on the best the division has to offer. If Haye can do the same, then he will may have earned a similar level of respect as a boxer that I have for Wlad. That's fair.

As a human being, he probably will never have the same level of respect.

 

I'm a fan of Lennox and the Klits. That seems to be a problem to a lot of people. I notice that a lot of Lennox fans simply hate the Klits. Most Klit fans think that Lennox was amazing.

I have made the argument here before that the Klits have a chance to become greats simply by dominating the hell out of the heavy division for a long, long time.

Haye can do the same. He may not have to go into 17 title fights, he can get extra credit for one or two big wins. Let's say he beats Wladimir - then goes on to have 7-8 title defences (against the best that a feeble division has to offer). That's seriously good. Given that he would probably have to also win a rematch, then make it 6-7 title defences.
If he fights the cluster**** of WBA mandatories then that won't gain much credit.

 

Which is a disgrace considering Valuev's limited capabilities.

Which is a disgrace considering people paid to see it and it was for a belt.

Which is a disgrace considering we're talking about a boxing match.

I'm saying he ran like a chicken IN THE VALUEV fight. And he did, watch the fight again, it'll make you want to slice your wrists.

 

I will start to say better things about him if he gets by Ruiz......i think Ruiz is going to give him a lot more trouble then some people might think.Say what you want about Ruiz but he has balls and isnt afraid to get in the ring with anyone.While his style might not be fan friendly his attitude is.

 

He could start by backing up his own words, the way he's been running his mouth you'd think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

If he fights a Klitchko brother and does it well he gets my respect he dosen't necessarily have to win aslong as he puts up a good fight and is competetive.

Peace

 

Haye beat Gurov, Mormeck, Fragomeni and Maccaranelli. Aside from Cunningham he fought everyone he was expected to. lets remember he beat enzo before he became a joke, he beat the enzo that gave braithwaite a boxing lesson.

at heavyweight he beat a man coming off a great victory, then he beat belt holder.

people act like his career has ended, he is due to fight ruiz, and is negotiating with vital. should he beat these two he'll be on the way to being one of the best english fighters in history