Joe Frazier vs. Superheavyweights

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  1. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This whole post is excuse-laden and moronic but this one really got me. Would you have the energy to get up and start pushing Futch out of the way after fighting in an arena well over 100 degrees? Plus, before Ibeabuchi-Tua, that set the record for most punches thrown in a Heavyweight bout. Ali was ready to quit as well, I guess he doesn't have the heart of a warrior either.
     
  2. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Surely, there's a fact-of-the-matter about whether or not someone is deliberately lying?
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well I would call that "lying"!
     
  4. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Yeah, but the point is that there's no subjectivity about that (unless you think that there's subjectivity about everything). Mendoza is scraping the bottom of the barrell for contrived excuses about everything. Fact!
     
  5. McGrain

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    Well I wasn't talking about Mendoza, rather this intellectual dishonesty idea.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Sometimes people become more concerned with winning an argument (even when it is entirely supposition as this case) than in shedding new light on an issue.
     
  7. McGrain

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    That's a good post.
     
  8. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    And yet, you still don't know why he didn't enter the tournament. Love your wording of "ducked".
     
  9. boxerca

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    I see him beating both Klitschko's. Lewis and Bowe might have been a problem for him, though. Those two fights could go either way.
     
  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're not going post-modern on me now are you, old sport?:smoke
     
  11. McGrain

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  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Didn't I ****ing know it!
     
  13. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Wow Mendoza, you are the only one I have ever heard of in thirty years of studying this sport that plays down Frazier's heart and will... I wont go beyond saying here I think you are way off on this one ...

    Pete: Frazier not entering the tournment was a strategic move plain and simply. Who in the tournment do you feel would have defeated him ?
     
  14. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Nobody, that's my point. Yank said repeatedly that not only it wasn't right that Frazier fight against guys ranked above him. It wasn't really in their best interest, and Frazier and the team was fine with the keeping respect to the NY title. Also, I think deep down Frazier considered not entering out of respect for Ali who he thought was still the champ. Think you misconstrued what I said if you think I agreed with Frazier entering to avoid any fighter.
     
  15. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    good post