Andre Wards dirty tactics

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  1. Sugar Dogg

    Sugar Dogg Member Full Member

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    I was rooting for Ward and he won me money but my view of him has completely changed. I was disgusted by his constant intentional head butts. Any ref for his future fights is going to have to watch the tape and be aware of these dirty tactics.
    Andre "Son Of Goat" Ward must have done some training with Holyfield to learn these "clash of heads", and billy goat tactics. He's lucky Kessler isn't unbalanced like Tyson or he would have no ears left.
    Technically this fight should have been a DQ win for Kessler as the cut that stopped the fight was caused by possibly the most blatant of all the butts.

    Has anyone else lost respect for Ward?
    Or who believes in the win by any means necessary philosophy?
     
  2. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Yeah after reading that post im sure you were rooting for Ward.
     
  3. Sugar Dogg

    Sugar Dogg Member Full Member

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    I was rooting for him BEFORE the fight.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not saying I like dirty tactics, but by now I'm accustomed to seeing fighters use them and don't think that much of it unless it's really extreme, a la Pedroza-Laporte or Gainer-Norwood.
     
  5. treize

    treize New Member Full Member

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    Don't know if all of those headbutts were intentional.
    But his way of "boxing" reminds me of non-boxers such as Crapkins, Gayweather and so on...

    Don't like it at all, cuz it's like steppin' in the ring and pretend to fight...
    And all of those mentioned headbutts happened while he jumped in to deliver his 1 or 2 punches (Heumachers), just to clinch right after that. And while doin' that he jumped, with his dumb head in ****in' front of his angxious body just into Kesslers face and did hurt' him.

    There are no real fights to expect with those kind of "fighters".
    I'm as bored by them as I'm pissed...
     
  6. boxefan

    boxefan Member Full Member

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    Please. Excuse us. Ward beat Kessler fair and square. It was not even close. They fight ten times and it will be the same result 10 times. Coming here acting like you were really rooting for ward.
     
  7. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    No. Why? There wasn't any intentional head butting - just a bunch of bigots and pusses that need an excuse to explain the loss. Check out Calzaghe versus Sheika .. same fight .. same inadvertent head clashes which can be explained as aggressively moving and pushing forward and being in a FIGHT. No "Euros" said a word about Joe's head. Rodriguez wasn't giving any "protection" to Sheika at Wembly. Two athletes crashing grills and skulls happens in lots of sports - or haven't you ever been in comp? These aren't two dancing partners that have practiced with each other for weeks to avoid each other's steps and be complimentary. IN THE MOMENT on a big stage they went to war with both desiring the same territory - one wanted it more than the other. One couldn't figure out how to adjust. It could have also been that Ward might have gotten the worst of those inadvertent clashes - as sometimes the guy who gets there first isn't as durable or takes a bad smack from the late arriving athlete - just didn't work out that way this time.
     
  8. Sugar Dogg

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    I was never in love with Ward you chump. Why would I lie that I wanted him to win? I had money riding on Ward.

    If they fought 10 times Kessler wouldnt have any face left.
     
  9. Raider Rudy

    Raider Rudy Active Member Full Member

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    Ward beating Kessler is not the issue! My view of Ward has also changed. He is a dirty fighter & reminds me alot of Bernard Hopkins. He is a good fighter but he is also very dirty. That good boy image that they were pushing for him is way off.:bart
     
  10. Sugar Dogg

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    I'm certainly not saying Kessler would have won without the butts. Those weren't inadvertent though. Watch the replays.
    I've done a lot of boxing and believe me when I tell you if someone was butting me all night I would respond likewise. Point deduction or not I would attempt to level the playing field.
     
  11. darryl1914

    darryl1914 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wow!!! The First head-butt occurred in round 9. Ward had won DAMN-NEAR every round by then (Although I gave Kessler a pitty round...round 5, I think)...you know what...I don't even know why I am trying to explain this.

    This was just a RIDICULOUS THREAD!!!!:-(
     
  12. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    They were absolutely inadvertent. It is actually incalculably rare for an athlete to want to use their forehead and top of head as a weapon as they don't practice such a move and because it hurts like **** when you smash your head off of something that doesn't give.

    Wake up.

    Kessler and Ward clashed grills/heads - that is the only part of what you are saying that is correct.

    Have you ever played ball? Ever been matched with another player and his cross (dribble) resulted in both of you colliding repeatedly? The reason being he had a preferential hand and you had a predisposition to react to that same side first instead of being faked to the other? It hurts like hell to crash like that and no one likes it but it keeps happening because both are REACTING the same way reflexively each time. No one is "wrong" .. it is what it is.

    It is ridiculous to accuse Ward of intentionally butting. ****ing ridiculous.

    As for what you would do or believe you would do - lol. Call Kessler and tell him to stop taking that **** and fight back. I've been in plenty of fights. He had ample opportunity to unload on Ward as he came in with these "so-called" intentional butts. These excuses are pathetic.
     
  13. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Ward beat Kessler's ass. Yes there were headbutt's but ya act like he did it several times like Holyfield did to Tyson. It wouldn't have made a difference because at the end of the day the result is still the same. Total ass kickin from Ward to Kessler.
     
  14. Sugar Dogg

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    I just watched the replay today and not only did I see plenty of landed head butts but also attempted ones that didn't land. I understand that in the fight game accidental clashes of heads occur often and it is a real shame when a fight is stopped like that. I also know there are ways to disguise your butts. Its a style of fighting where you bob and weave your head towards your opponent when you get inside and then inevitably the other fighter catches one. Its relatively low risk because you're going to make contact with your forehead or top of the head while your opponent takes it in the face.
    Wards tactics were exactly the same as Holyfields which most people can agree were dirty.
     
  15. Brit Sillynanny

    Brit Sillynanny Cold Hard Truth Full Member

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    Yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

    All the top fighters spend plenty of time in the gym working on their "bobbing and weaving" to hide their intention of getting off their killer "skull shot". It is kind of rough on the sparring partners but WTF.

    :lol::rofl