Joe Frazier vs. Superheavyweights

If it comes from someone under about 47 then it don't mean ****. Seems like if you weren't there then dudes can't properly assess prime Clay/Ali and Frazier.

 

It's amazing that supposedly glass-jawed Frazier went three brutal fights with Muhammad Ali without getting knocked down.


I also wonder how many fighters would have been able to beat the count six times after getting decked by George Foreman.

 

He was invited but declined to fight. The WBA tournament was the best conversation around back then. Call that what you will .

I suppose the equivalent today is being invited to participate in the super six, and saying, no thanks, then fighting for the WBU belt.

 

Its the last jab in my discussion. In a time when there is no clear champ, and your invited to a tournament to crown one, you should go. I do think Frazier would have been the favorite in the tournament. Does he win it? Depends on his draw.

The equivalent of Frazier declining this today would be Kessler or Abraham declining an invitation to the super six.

Ali vs Frazier was III was a hotly contested rubber match. One guy let his corner shut down the show without giving much fuss on his stool. We will never know how badly Frazier really wanted to come out for the 15th round. The fight looked to be close. There was only one round to go. One this is for sure, Frazier didn't protest much on his stool. There are multiple degrees of surrenderer in boxing.

 

Huh? The 2nd Ali fight was a bore, hardly brutal. Ali landed a big right that sent Frazier reeling in round 2, and after that the fight was a clinch fest.

 

Honestly Mendoza, that statement is beneath you regarding Frazier in Superfight 3 ...

 

I think you have to take into account that these super heavies didn't actually fight like Foreman of 73 fought. George came right at Frazier and opened up the heavy artillery early not letting Joe get warmed up. Joe would actually have a better chance against the above mentioned big boys because they would be a lilltle more tentative in thier approach. If Joe can take these men into the later rounds then his chances dramatically increase as his conditioning(at his best)was second to none. If the big boys decide to open up early and let the fur fly then it's a different story of course but I don't see that happening especially after tasting a couple of Joe's hooks to the body and head. Frazier was one of those fighers that you either had to knockout or outbox in order to win and you had better be very good at either method ala Ali or Foreman. Anything short of that and you were in for a long (or more appropriately) short night.

 

Wlad would never dare because he'd have that china chin caved in ... Vitali is simply not the big puncher to do the job ...

 

Mcgrain,

A few questions for you.

When was the last NY State title defense before Frazier vs Mathis?

And when was the next NY State title fight post Mathis vs. Frazier?

Here's my chance to learn something. I tend to think the WBA tournament event was much bigger than the NY State ( Not to be confused with World title ) at that period of time.

 

Frazier was tired and swolen, he was still going to go out in that last rd and fight his heart out...Frazier looked worse but Ali was also in bad shape also. There was no quit in Joe...he could have said his shoulder hurt like Liston or stayed on his stool like Sam Peter..He argued with Futch but respected the man as a team player with the same goal to win. If you call that a surrender you are reaching Mendoza...the man got up 6 times vs Foreman and was ready to go down again..Fraziers Heart was one of the best..it ranks up there with Marciano,Holyfield,Gatti,Sad Muhamad,Barney Ross,Armstrong,Ali,etc.

 

This is the same clown that defends VITLAY for quitting against feather fist Byrd, and bangs on about how VITLAY would have KO'd Lewis had it not been stopped due to the energetic hissy fit VITLAY had AFTER HE KNEW THE FIGHT WAS OVER :rofl:rofl:rofl

Your double standards know no bounds, seriously. Start watching netball or baseball or something. I didn't notice VITLAY fighting off the doc or the ref until after the fight was stopped with Lewis either, and all that bull**** you spout about him not knowing the fight was going to be stopped doesn't cut the mustard. He knew the fight was going to be stopped and he only chose to argue about it when he knew the nasty man couldn't hit him any more :yep

How you've got the nerve to take one stance with the VITLAY V Lewis fight and then spout that **** about Frazier after one of the most punishing HW fights ever is absolutely beyond my comprehension, it really is.

 

Mendoza is full of crap. He's ignored all of my posts except for the one that he could answer and appear like he's talking about something. Except even in that post he's wrong. It's time to give it up.

I can only harbor respect for people that admit humility. Mendoza, you're obviously so full of yourself you can't even help carry an intelligent discussion without having to "win a few" along the way. It isn't in how many arguments you win, it's how you learn from it. It's embarrassing to even read your posts when you're getting desperate.

 

Well its a good thing we all can see the video. Frazier's eyes were swollen, but it was not as they were so bad he could not see. The 3rd Ali fight looked to be close. When Futch shut down the show, Fraizer did not argue much or protest with body language. Sometimes a fighters body language and reaction tells a trainer what he needs to know.

I do think Frazier had great heart, but my point here is he truly wanted to be out there for the 15th round, he could have acted much better.