My Top 100 of all-time

What i fail to realize is why carlos ortiz isnt top 20. He beat 6 hall of famers:
Brown
Elorde
Loi
Locce
Laguna
Ramos

 

If Thomas Hearns can make a top 75, then De La Hoya can.

 

I don't agree with Winky Wright behind ahead of Carlos Ortiz and Joe Frazier

 

He arguably lost against whitaker but its so easy to make an argument that he won the fight. Being outlanded doesnt make you the loser of a fight, he threw the harder, more effective punches and those flurries helped convince the judges that he was being the agressor.

Either way, Oscar has such a great resume, it would be stupid not to rank him as an ATG.

 

Top 20 is a little high, because he also lost to Loi twice, lost to Laguna, lost to lesser likes such as Lane and Busso and also won the first Ramos fight in controversial fashion.

But even so, I think he should make top 50 quite comfortably. His resume is outstanding and he was never thoroughly owned by anyone.

I have him no.34 on my list (at the moment... I'm always revising it).

 

The same can be said about ruben olivares and archie moore.

 

No way should Ezzard Charles be rated ahead of Whitaker.

 

Olivares perhaps, but Archie Moore is Carlos Ortiz + an extra decade of activity. His incredible longevity puts him ahead of Carlos in my books.

 

You gotta remember bro, he's a natural lightweight. His convincing wins over genaro hernandez, fernando vargas, gonzalez, old chavez and old camacho should be good enough, IMO hes greater than alot of hispanic fighters that get ranked above him.

 

You can say that but ortiz beat better fighters, archie may fought better fighters, but he didnt beat the better fighters, he lost to most of them.

 

Why is Brian Mitchell so high?

I don't like the part with Greb behind Wilde

 

He beat Harold Johnson, Yvon Durelle, Carl Bobo Olson, Joey Maxim, Jimmy Bivins, Oakland Billy Smith, Holman Williams, Jack Chase, Cocoa Kid and Lloyd Mashall amongst others.

Maybe Ortiz has slightly more significant single wins, but as a body of work, you can't really claim that Moore's resume is inferior to Ortiz's. Moore's resume has incredible depth. He beat a ton of excellent fighters.

 

he lost to harold johnson and i think he lost to nino valdez too.

 

Why not Rob?

 

Yeah but look at his losses:smoke