Pacquiao struggled with Morales and Marquez but kills Cotto and Hatton

I agree man, but judging by the content of some of the posts in this thread, apparently you do.

 

Skill wise its not even a competition. Morales and Marquez skill wise box circles around Hatton and Cotto.

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This is a combo of things. First Marquez and Morales are more skilled fighters then Hatton and Cotto, and secondly Pac was weakened by the lower weights. Truth is Pac should have been fighting at 140 a long time ago, cutting too much weight and getting down to a point were he wasnt comfortable.

 

I think it's more to do with Pacquiao's evolution as a fighter tbh.

Cotto may not be quite as good a counter-puncher as Marquez was, but he's certainly very competent, and can throw combinations quickly and accurately in response. He proved that against Mosley. Pacquiao just gave him absolutely nothing on fight night. Against Marquez, he only really threw the left hand over and over (in the first fight at least) and predictably jumped forward in straight lines. Unsurprisingly, Marquez adjusted to that and started tagging Pacquiao back after a couple of rounds. I usually dismiss posters who refer to "angles" as being a deciding factor in fights - it's usually a pretty weak and tenuous point - but here it's relevant. Against Cotto, Pacquiao was coming from all angles. He was hitting Cotto on the run, from the sides, from all over the place. And he was much more elusive on the way out, with lots of quick head movement. Trying to catch him on the way in or counter-punch against that kind of package is ****ing difficult. Cotto couldn't make Pacquiao pay for ANYTHING. No wonder Pacquiao was getting away with it.

The other key point is the handling of the jab. Whatever you think of him as a fighter (relative to Morales or otherwise), he has a very stiff, short, accurate, fast jab. Maybe he jumps in with it a little too much, but it's still a great weapon. The greener Pacquiao that fought Morales was vulnerable to that, and Morales backed him up with it time and time again. Against Cotto, Pacquiao threw the jab in the trash after about Round 2. He totally neutralised it. He was walking to Cotto's right, and whenever Cotto threw it he'd just step to the side and throw the right hook over the top. Cotto couldn't do anything about it. Great stuff.

 

I think people are under-estimating Cotto a bit here, really. (I've learned not to be surprised by that happening to fighters on ESB as soon as they get beat.) Cotto has a very good skill-set, solid power and decent speed at 147, and he beats a lot of good guys at that weight. He just ran into the greatest fighter of our generation and a stylistic brick wall in Margarito (which is actually now considered a questionable loss). He still has a lot of very convincing wins over B+ level opposition in Judah, Malignaggi, Corley, Quintana and a W against Clottey, as well as a very impressive performance vs. an ATG in Mosley. That's a resume that can compete with Marquez's to an extent, at least.

The version of Cotto that fought Pacquaio was far from a shell, either.

 

Pacquiao has an excellent chin, for starters.

And one of the things people do not realize about Pac, is that because of his chin, he really is at an ADVANTAGE fighting these bigger guys. While he has the ability to cope with their shots, these fighters (DLH, Cotto, Hatton) are not used to fighting anyone with the handspeed or angles that Pacquiao uses.

Pac's speed, angles, and ability to land cleanly with his powershots (in bunches) is what makes him so hard for larger fighters, who aren't used to fighting a southpaw with such attributes.

Conversely, Marquez and Morales are two iron-chinned fighters who are used to Featherweight handspeed, and therefore were much more able to withstand Pac's attack as well as fight back.

Even today, I think Marquez would give Pac hell because of this.

 

Just bcause Pac did not finish school that people here think he has no IQ.

The real genius in Pacman is reneging his "spurious" contract with GBP. Now, it seems that GBP is so pre-occupied to tarnishing Pac's name.

GBP is so obsessed with Pac that any upcoming fighter they have (incidentally, sem to have a GBP curse because they lose big time when in the spotlight) is automatically name "pacman successor".

Imagine if Pac is a GBP fighter, then he would not have faced Cotto or Hatton, because of the propensity of the GBP to milk as much as they can with their fighters.

 

A one handed Pac compared to a 2 handed Pac?

He got KD's using his right hand which he really never used before.

I guess only his right hand is on drugs.

 

I'm @#!$@#!$ glad you changed that stupid looking avy you had...:good

 

Thats cause morales is the ****ing man.

Hatton, Cotto, DLH, JMM, Barrera couldnt do it but Morales could. He is the only one to beat Pac.

 

1. Are you implying that there's something you can take to absorb punches better?

2. Shane was the one that confessed about taking something.

 

Really so how did pacman drug test came out negative against cotto and when has pac failed a drug test?

 

pound for pound of course.

 

so this is now the new twist eh? before, david diaz was a bum, oscar was dained, and hatton was shot and don't have a chin. and after pac had beaten someone like cotto in a war, steroids? you guys are pathetic. :-(