Joe Frazier vs. Superheavyweights

Thanks, I tried. I've never seen anyone discredit such a solid banger like Bonavena. And do a list of other things just to try proving Frazier had a weak chin. Oscar was raw and crude and maybe not the most accurate puncher. But he definitely had power, he's got like a 65% KO percentage.

What's funny is he gives an example of Foreman not KOing Peralta (There is an example for every fighter that someone doesn't KO or Knock down). But Oscar dropped Peralta, dropped Chuvalo (Admittedly never saw the footage), and gave Ali some trouble.

 

Vitali took it well? From where I was sitting he ran backwards across the ring to avoid the follow up punches, then a few seconds later got dropped.

Of course it's easy for you to say that the punch would have flattened every great fighter in history because it happened to explode on VITLAYS glass, but the rest of Sanders career actually suggests that he wasn't the ATG puncher the Klit-ites claim he is. Sanders entire 'big puncher' reputation is built on knocking out glass jaw WALDO and being the only man to ever knock VITLAY down (outside of the amateurs obviously)

He also didn't take that uppercut from Lewis too well....he held on for dear life for the rest of the round as I remember it. I wouldn't call Lewis a murderous puncher either - a good puncher yes, but he was no Earnie Shavers.

Iron chin? Give me a ****ing break.

 

25 KO's in 26 fights, not a power puncher. Were he around in the 10's, 20's, 30's, 40, 50's or 60's he would be spoke of in reverent tones by the morons on this board.

merry xmas

 

F**k dude, go wash your vagina.


Heavyweight boxing is full of "C" level athletes and out of shape bums. This is the reason old guys (old greats and even only the modestly able) have continued as long as they have and why cruisers are able to move up to heavy even in this era of large sized athletes.

There are more great large sized athletes on the earth than ever before - huge athletes with stunning quickness of foot and hand with astounding speed and power. Young athletes from 6'5" through almost 7'0" that move like baseball shortstops, run & cut like tailbacks, and reflect the improvement in sport science, medicine, nutrition, conditioning, and better standards of living. Pity we have been in a multi-generational shift in which the subsidy and educational opportunities have meant that ALL of the premiere talent have sought the 3 majors to the total exclusion of professional boxing.

Hopefully, some will make their way back to the ring. The desire to rate this pathetic era's crap seems to indicate some serious ignorance of what kind of quality big men could be in this sport and captivating the imagination. Sit back and accept that it is a shitty era. If you can't see it - then YOU F**KING SUCK as an athlete. No two ways about it, man.

Anyone who can watch these guys and be overly impressed simply IS NOT GREAT ATHLETICALLY - in which case the nuthugging makes some sense. Often it is hard to know the difference between great and merely fair when you have the athleticism of a ******.

 

Yep. Sanders puts both Klitschkos in perfect perspective. The Klits have great size, good conditioning, combined with rather modest athletic ability at best. Yet, ridiculously soft and out of shape Corrie looked like SRR in comparison early in those fights. Two less six packs and a few less boxes of donuts and he might have sparked them both quick (under two rounds) - instead of merely one.

Imagine if a real talented equal sized in-shape athlete was in professional boxing ... ("oh no, they don't exist .. boxing is "different" - )


Corrie Sanders
Vitali Klitschko
Ross Puritty
Wladimir Klitschko

 

Vitali's glass ? You must be drinking since the man has never been down as a pro. Lewis was not a huge puncher ? Have another please ...

 

Chris Arreola, "I'm not a big puncher. I'm not a power type guy. I'm a combination puncher."

Chris Arreola as an amateur. 175 Lbs... as a Heavyweight 250+ pounds.

He's knocking out a lot of nobodies.

Merry Xmas.

 

He makes good points He Grant. It's not about being downed (Although Sanders dropped him). He's been badly hurt. His chin hasn't really been tested. If that fight didn't get stopped Lewis would've KOed him. At least TKOd him...

Look, Ali took a flush shoot from Shavers in 77. He was wobbled but contained himself and recovered. This is an older and well past prime Ali, too. Do I think Vitali takes this kind of power and stays upright. Or at least doesn't get put into a daze for the rest of the entire round and probably another round just to clear his head? No, probably not. His chin is good. It's not iron, it doesn't deserve that status and it hasn't been tested enough for it to get such high praise.

Nobody finds it the least bit odd that his brother is a big huge professional athlete like him. Yet, he was given a god awful chin and he was given iron for a chin? Wlad chin is pretty bad, his brother happens to have a better chin. But it's not iron, and for as bad as Wlad's chin is it isn't the worst chin in the history of HW fighting. Vitali's greatest ability is his survival skills. Don't confuse the two.

Honestly, to put it more in perspective. The fat slob Chris Arreola is being revered as some great power puncher, when he even admits he isn't by Seamus. Just because he KOed a lot of the overweight out of shape nobody HW's in this horrid era. Arreola, who carries probably about 30-40 pounds of too much fat was a skinny 175 lb amateur fighter not too long ago. He didn't naturally grow into this new frame... he just couldn't stop himself from growing and growing, and growing.

 

Great thread, i should have looked earlier. Massive ownage in here.

Lewis KO Frazier
Frazier KO Wlad
Frazier UD Vitali
Bowe - Frazier 50-50 on Bowes best night.

 

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Really, **** off, in the kindest, most charitable, Christian way.

I fought body beautiful guys who outweighed me by 30 lbs and kicked the **** out of them, then got my ass beat by some "fat slob". Results are results in the paying ranks. You think you got the stuff to make it better than Areala? Go join a gym. However, if you are soly an admirer of the masculine physique, the fighting arts may not be not right arena for you to follow.

 

I would like someone to post this knockdown as I've never seen it. I saw him get blasted and take it well. I also saw him blasted by Lewis, blind by blood and without seeing it comming and he took that well. If I am wrong please post the footage as I am truly interested ... Who could take direct blasts from Lewis, blinded by blood and not be rocked to their heels?

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USxJeHV1pd8[/ame]

Here's the round and punches in question v.s. Sanders ... Vitali takes a blast similar to the one Paq used to flatten Hatton, watch the replay in the final 30 seconds. He takes it well. The guy is 6'7" tall. Of course he looks a bit akward as Sanders was fresh, lightnig fast and pressing for the kill. However, he takes it well and there is no knockdown. Pure myth.

 

He also got tagged early by Hide and didn't show much of an effect.

 

He Grant,

Fighting Weight is not a regular poster here. He has over 10,000 posts, with the majority of them being anti Klitschko in nature. He's only here to stir the pot. I'm ignoring him in this thread. I suggest you do the same.

Thanks for posting the Sanders shot. That was a true chin checker, a missile to the side of the head in round one when you are not warmed up is one of the hardest shots to weather in boxing. Vitali was not down from the punch. Sanders shoved him down.