Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud

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  1. spaceman

    spaceman Member Full Member

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    Some official statements for you to read:

    http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/index.ssf/2009/12/blood_vs_urine_usada_clears_up.html

    concerning urin and blood tests:

    Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean. "There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

    the schedule:

    Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won't work, because a fighter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested. “That kind of window is totally unacceptable,” Tygart said. “It would provide a huge loophole for a cheater to step through and get away with cheating.”
    Dr. Gary Wadler, an internal medicine physician and chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Prohibited List and Methods sub-committee, supported Tygar's position. “The fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” Wadler told Yahoo! Sports. “It would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage.“

    the influence of taking blood:

    Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either fighter. “That amount would be less than one-half of one percent (of the total blood in the body),” Conte told Yahoo! Sports. “It’s not going to have any effect, the drawing of blood. Could it have some mental effect? That’s the only down side of that. It’s certainly not going to have any physical effect, giving blood before a fight.”
     
    spaceman, Dec 26, 2009
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  2. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "But if the Nevada Commission was doing it, then we would agree to do as many tests as they wanted to do -- urine and blood -- up to a certain date to be agreed upon," said Arum.

    "The Nevada Commission will do it appropriately. That's terrific," said Arum. "In other words, we wouldn't limit it to a certain number of tests because we know that the Nevada Commission won't harass the fighters. "

    "And then, the commission would then take it from there, and hold random urinalysis and random blood tests."

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/...d.php?t=194740
     
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  3. spaceman

    spaceman Member Full Member

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    "...because we know that the Nevada Commission won't harass the fighters. "

    Yeah, they know this Nevada Comission lets cheaters go through. They seem to have made good experiences in the past. Suddenly blood tests right before the fight don't matter, it's the bad USADA comission which does proper tests.
     
    spaceman, Dec 26, 2009
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  4. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How would you know? Because Leonard Ellerbe said so?
     
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  5. spaceman

    spaceman Member Full Member

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    How do you know USADA is harassing fighters, because Bob Arum said so? He already disqualified himself by saying that urin tests are sufficient to detect all types of forbidden substances. Obviously it isn't as you can read in the first quote.
     
    spaceman, Dec 26, 2009
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  6. k1llu

    k1llu Member Full Member

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    Nobody with a sane mind can see what pac and his camp are doing and not come to conclusion that pac has something to hide. His reputation already destroyed what a ****ing loser.:nono:shock:
     
    k1llu, Dec 26, 2009
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  7. Da Chin Chekka

    Da Chin Chekka Chi-Town!!! Full Member

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    If ur not guilty what's the problem?
     
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  8. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    We still haven't heard anything close to a reasonable excuse.
     
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  9. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's no reasonable excuse for a closed minded individual. Pac already stated his reasons.
     
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  10. Twirdman

    Twirdman Active Member Full Member

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    This line of reasoning is ridiculous. It has always been the case that the accuser has to prove the other persons guild not the accused has to prove his innocence. I mean does Mayweather have any indication that Pac is using PEDs, if not then why bother using more stringent testing. There isn't even really any type of evidence besides he has boxed well. So should we look with suspicion at every boxer who as ever fought well? Obviously not you use more stringent test if you have some credible reason to believe that he is cheating current testing practices.
     
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  11. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    If Manny came out and said that dog **** was delicious and nutritious you'd eat it for breakfast, lunch & ****ing dinner every god damn day, so you might want to shut the **** up.:yep
     
    Cormega, Dec 26, 2009
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  12. k1llu

    k1llu Member Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
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  13. Da Chin Chekka

    Da Chin Chekka Chi-Town!!! Full Member

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    Ok let me put it this way , With $40,000,000 at stake
    This content is protected
    :huh

    now is that better. is that a little less ridiculous?:think
     
    Da Chin Chekka, Dec 26, 2009
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  14. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Still no proof Pac has ever cheated.
    Mayweather & Pacquiao are boxers. Nowhere in the rules of boxing does it say U need to have Olympic style drug tests. Stick to the rules you've used your entire careers.
     
    Gneus7, Dec 26, 2009
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  15. PanchoVilla

    PanchoVilla Guest

    Pacquiao is already RICH! U think this is about money? ..well let me put it this way.. If Pacquiao is an EASY FIGHT, WHY ALL THE BULL**** DEMANDS?!?... EASY... FLOYD is QUACK QUACK :smoke

    peace.
     
    PanchoVilla, Dec 26, 2009
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