How big was jack dempsey really

yeah, he was obviously on steroids, the testing back then was nonexistent

 

Luttrell has the worst defense of anyone i have ever seen in a pro ring.

 

those measurements are ridiculousy wrong..

tyson with a 16 3/4 neck??? hahahaha

 

Muscular thickness, ie how thick the muscles are, Dempsey didnt have any, he was skin and bones in essence

 

All those stats mean little, Dempsey was small muscles and was relatively weak. I could give you Welterweights with similar dimensions to Dempsey, does that make them as strong? Ofcourse no

Outside of Firpo/Willard who had zero skill he never fought a bigger man. Your assumption that hes abnormally strong for his weight has no basis in reality

 

You do realise a push up is the exact saem motion as a barbell press except pressing a 350lb barbell would require twice the power/strength to press it? You do realise that would generate more power in punches than press ups? You also do realise exercises like dips aren't particularly conjusive to the punching technique unless your an arm puncher as they focus on tricep development?

Personally I'd emphasise the overhead press, jerks, power cleans, deadlifts and squats over a barbell press, but saying the barbell press is inferior to any of those exercises you listed is pure bull****.

Dempsey was good for his time, if he was around today he'd update his training and incorporate weights and dump the bodyweight exercises for the main part, especially press ups

 

Nope. Triceps are heavily involved in any straight punch. Arm punches as they are known are actually wide powerless efforts with no snap and little tricep if any. Jabs are actually heavily reliant on the triceps while the straight right should involve pivot and triceps among other things.

 

Dempsey and Tunney employed the same traditional strength development techniques Ali used in training for Foreman.

PowerPuncher, I know you agree with me that Ali was a skinny, scrawny, puny runt (something especially apparent when looking at the giant Gorilla Monsoon airplane spinning him and planting his bony frame on the wrestling mat). Boy, somebody like Foreman would have broken that wimpy Ali in half with a single punch. Good thing for Muhammad THAT fight never came off!

 

Wrong you don't know how to punch, the triceps play their part but primarily in arm punching, thats why its called arm punching. BUT shoulders are the primary punching muscle group, amongst many though, powerpunching is a whole body movement

 

Dempsey trained down to his weight because fights back then were scheduled for 15-25 rounds, not the 12 rounds we have today. He probably would have come in a bit heavier if they were scheduled for 12 but excess weight would not have benefited him in a 15 rounder. Too much emphasis is put on weight nowadays. Jack at 190lbs would still be a nightmare for many heavies today who are overweight and out of shape and not used to fighting at a fast pace. More fighters would probably benefit from a Dempsey training regimen. It would give them muscles that matter, not bloated steroid balloons that don't aid a fighter at all plus it would strip off all the superflous flesh. Make HW championship fights 15 rounds like they used to be and the old training methods would surprisingly resurface.

 

Ali was a boxer, not a puncher, Ali is far from perfect though. If I was taken on as Ali's conditioning/strength coach and nutrionist he'd be a big hitter, stronger and faster.

Foreman is a puncher he just cant box. A boxer beats a puncher/brawler usually. Dempsey was a puncher/brawler who was weaker than Ali

Primary training should be boxing training - heavy bag, speed bag, sparring pads etc. Resistance exercise (Which includes bodyweight exercises) is secondary and weights are cimply superior

 

You've got no clue sorry. Check out reknowned arm punchers such as Bazooka Limon and Mustafa Hamsho. You're often claiming advanced knowledge in supplements, drugs and muscle but hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

The triceps straighten the arm ffs.

 

No you're a ****wit, the tricep isnt even involved whatsoever in the hook or uppercut you numpty, the shoulder is the primary muscle in all punches, thats a fact.

The triceps key use is to press the arm downwards and to give full arm extension and allot of punches clearly dont use that. The shoulders are sressed massive for all punches, the tris are not, so most punchers have big strong shoulders.

After a boxing workout, boxers rarely have sore triceps, they always have sore shoulders because boxing utilises the shoulders far more. Hence I know you're never boxed

Powerpunching involves a massive group of muscles though in the body, thats a fact, it needs a strong core (lower back, abbs, obliques), legs, shoulders, chest and the ability to explosively use an efficient motion. The exercises most mimicking punching motion are power cleans and and power jerks, those exercises use all the muscles in 1 motion that a puncher should use, they also take far more power to execute than any other exercise. Developing the triceps as a secondary muscle group is useful, but if you had a clue you'd know they are heavily stimulated from barbell press/overhead press. They are not the key muscles in punching though, even for arm punchers.

 

I didnt say he was weak for a 190lb, but he'd be weak in comparison to 215lb versions of Tyson/Holyfield, let alone the likes of Foreman/Lennox. Those men are hardly bodybuilders they have functional muscle and they are stronger by far.

And clearly stronger in the ring than any cruserweight? Marciano? Holyfield? Langford? Charles? Moore? I dont think so

Could Dempsey do what Holyfield did and put on 15-30lbs of muscle? Probably. Would he be fighting far better opposition, with far better technical skills in the 90s era regardless of size, certainly!!

I know for a fact Wlad/Lennox have done plenty of weight room work, so you're wrong on that