Tyson Above Holyfield - Can It Be Justified?

No you can't, because my posts only refer to truth and facts. It just happens that the truth/facts don't support your spins on things, but that's hardly my fault.

 

So I guess you also think Holyfield held Lennox Lewis to a draw, because the record says so?

 

I find this paragraph a bit strange.

Are you suggesting a fighter has to have a comeback and pull off a great win or get up from a knockdown to be considered great?

Thats not what makes greatness. Greatness can be classified in many different ways in boxing. How many heavyweights have the resume and accomplishments of Mike Tyson and arent considered great?

 

So the judges were right? Bull****. Holyfield beat Valuev, and the win counts towards his legacy. In some situations, the judges decision can be disregarded with common sense

 

Well it certainly helps if a fighter actually makes a comeback and proves as much or more than he did when in his prime. Yes, some fighters retire and feel that don't need to make comebacks. And a fighter does have to get up from a knockdown to be considered great, because it doesn't help if he stays on the canvas and gets counted out. That would be a loss I'm afraid. What would make up for the loss if that was the case? Getting back in there and handing a defeat to the man who previously but an "L" on your record.

Larry Holmes had the best recovery of a knockdown I have ever seen. Taking into account the impact of the punch from Shavers, it was quite an achivement. Defeat had stared him in the eyes for a matter of seconds. Everyone in the arena thought the title was changing hands. But Holmes managed to somehow get up and regain his senses. He won the fight via stoppage 4 rounds later.

He also repeated the feat against Snipes two years later when he got up and ****ed his head off the ringpost. The man was on ***** street and again it looked like a follow up attack from Snipes would have ended it considering how Holmes looked upon rising. Again Holmes won via stoppage.

Tyson aint got off the canvas once to win. And he never won a rematch against any of the fighters who beat him. Although winning rematches and getting up off the canvas to turn the tables is only part of the ingredients that makes greatness....What exactly impresses you about Tyson?

 

Tyson was a dominant fighter in the 80's. His opposition wasnt questionable, in fact by todays standard, it might be considered stellar. Certainly on par with Mr Holmes wouldnt you agree?

Are you suggesting if Tyson arose from a knockdown against say Tony Tucker in route to his 12 round UD that would classify him more as great?

Personally I put more merit in winning a one sided decision or knocking a guy out as opposed to getting up from a knockdown to win against comparable opposition?

Common stigma associated with dominant fighters. If they dont bleed and struggle they cant be great. I believe Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather suffer from this same syndrome?

 

Tyson topics always bring out the best

 

Lennox Lewis never rose up from a knockdown to win either. You don't hear that one, though.

 

ESB CLASSIC FORUM FINAL HEAVYWEIGHT RANKINGS:

1. 1675 Muhammad Ali (52)
2. 1375 Joe Louis (23)
3. 638 Rocky Marciano (1)
4. 580 Larry Holmes
5. 488 Lennox Lewis (1)
6. 462 Jack Johnson (1)
7. 318 George Foreman
8. 318 Jack Dempsey (2)
9. 233 Mike Tyson
10. 221 Joe Frazier
11. 217 Sonny Liston
12. 106 Evander Holyfield


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That's a good balanced post :good

 

Crapola.

Foreman beat the man. So, that makes Foreman the man to beat - which is what Briggs did.

Who Foreman defended his title against is a moot point. Titles are won and lost in the ring.

Like I said, in no way did Holyfield's victory over Tyson interrupt the lineage of the title that Lewis won from Briggs.

 

Yeah, they did because Holy wasn't seen as beeing better as them back then. In history there is a rule of hindsight beeing not allowed. Why should it be different in boxing history?

 

True. But he came back to beat the guys who beat him. Tyson never did that. :good

 

Evander was champion in a forgotten era while Mike was champ in a more important time of the heavyweight division and made a much bigger impact. Holyfield was a little dull if you ask me and never took the division anywhere. Even in defeat, the Tyson Douglas fight is one of the greatest moments in boxing history. It's up there with Hagler-Hearns for drama