Joe Frazier vs. Superheavyweights

Frazier UD Vitali? Frazier had trouble with big boxers. A fat Buster Mathis was actually ahead on points until about round 8 when the extra weight began to sap his stamina. While Frazier's pressure had a lot to do with the ending late TKO over Mathis too, the point here is Frazier is not going to out box a skilled super heavy. The UD call over Vitali to me seems like a reach.

Also, I tend to doubt Frazier could take Vitali's punches well. Solid level hitters floored Frazier and stunned him. How does he react to a a big shot from a much bigger and stronger 250 pound guy with excellent conditioning?

Not too well if you go by the blows that landed on him in his career, and closely watch the effect they had on him.,

 

You've converted me.

Frazier TKO Vitali

 

Vitali is too slow, does not hit hard enough and could not survive the pressure Frazier would put on him. That big body would be beat like a drum. Frazier would get under his guard and punch his lungs out. Vitali could not keep the pace.

It's nice for M to admit Joe had a little to do with the destruction of Mathis. By the way, Mathis was much faster than either Klit Brother ..

I have it pretty much like JT ...

 

Hey JT, you have got to stop with your avatars. I can't even focus on the damned posts. LOL

 

Yeah, i thought Frazier would take advantage of Vitali being so stiff and cumbersome and outwork him to a decision but maybe he does grind him down. Frazier's left hook is quite underrated for pure power imo. It was absolutely feared and held in awe back in his day.

 

Hahahaha merry xmas mate!

 

I'm not a regular poster yet I've got 10,000 posts? How did you work that one out :huh

Incidentally when I post about the Klits I'm almost always commenting on the idiocy of their fan-boys, you fall into that category in a huge way. I'm still confused as to how you can disrespect Frazier for not fighting his way past his cornermen to come out for the last round against Ali when he could easily have been killed, yet you think VITLAY is a monster despite quitting with a sore arm against feather fist Byrd It's one thing being biased for your guy, it's another being stupid beyond belief I'm afraid.

Also Sanders did not shove VITLAY down, that was a legitimate KD that the referee got wrong. Not that it matters too much, the "iron chin" bull**** was disproven as soon as Sanders landed the left hook and VITLAY staggered backwards across the ring. If he had an iron chin the shot would have had no effect, but it most definately did have an effect didn't it? Sanders wasn't even that murderous a puncher, as I said before his entire big punching reputation is built on him KO'ing glass jaw WALDO and staggering VITLAY.

Keep on with the denial, it's amusing :good

 

That's the most likely scenario to be honest. VITLAY doesn't have great power, he wears guys down....usually guys with no elusiveness or power. Frazier had both, and he used them for the distance. I could see VITLAY taking the early rounds for sure, but he'd get worn down after the mid rounds and just beaten into submission (VITLAY does submission quite well) around the 11th round.

If it were a 15 round fight, VITLAY still gets stopped in the 11th by the way.

 

+1^^^ Lenox has the reach and right hand.

 

Actually, the scores were 5-5, 6-4 and 7-2 in favor of Frazier so there goes that part of your arguement. Frazier dealt with him easily.

Vitali really doesn't hit that hard. Who has he KO'd?

OK. Do we have to go through this again? Foreman is arguably the hardest hitter in history and had the power to KO anyone in history. Against Bonavena, he was green and got caught. Stander and Bugner were fights where he was past his prime. During his absolute prime, Frazier was never in serious trouble.

 

Frazier stops Vitali late.

 

Mendoza, if you want to go by KO%. Then Bonavena had 18 KO's out of 21 wins up to the Frazier fight. You do the math. Mind you Frazier was only 11-0 at the time of the first Bonaven match. Either way you're wrong here.

 

Mendoza? Wrong? I can't believe it :rofl

Fact is, Bonavena gave both Frazier and Ali tough fights when they were both good fighters (not prime but still good fighters)

VITLAYS claim to fame? Getting stopped while 2 rounds ahead against Lewis, and even that lead was debatable, I had it even. Looking at the bigger picture from that fight though, as Lewis said himself "look at the state of his face!"

 

I agree. What will Vitali be remembered as? Being stopped by Lewis while winning the event.