Pacquiao through the years with pictures

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  1. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course.....Lean muscle is not BULK muscle! Where flexibility and the conditioning of "Fast twitch" muchles are a must. That's why you don't see body builders as boxers. That kind of muscle and mass doesn't translate to productive boxers. That kind of bulk muscle hinders range of motion and movement, ultimately affecting technique and overall stamina. Hope that helps.
     
  2. TommyV

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    His only 'welterweight' fight so far then is De La Hoya. He weighed in at 142 and went up to 149 on Fight Night, which I've heard is his walk-around weight. Where's your evidence that he weighed 152-154? He's never weighed that for a fight and walks around less than that when in shape. Floyd only goes up to about the same range on fight night, and he's a slightly bigger welterweight and weighs in closer to the limit.
     
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    129 weigh in Marquez 144 fight night

    144 weigh in Cotto 149 fight night
     
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    Speculation? I'm using his stats from the Hatton fight, which was 7 months ago. :rofl
     
  5. Andrew671

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    Excuse me, but I thought your percentage of slow red fibers vs fast white fibers is determined genetically and there's nothing you can do about it.
     
  6. Andrew671

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    Well then, he weighed 144 for Cotto therefore he must have weighed at least 150 if not more in the ring.
     
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    And you're extrapolating them to the Cotto fight?
     
  8. charlievint

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    You're partly correct. There are fighters who just are blessed with more of these genetics.....some have to work harder to get to where some of these athletes are without the work...the same as a fighter build and natrual genetics in the way thier bodies look. Some fighters have great natrual build through genetics...and maintaining this build is easier for them. For those who don't have the genes for that kind of body type they have to work harder.

    Now even if you are not blessed with an abundance of fast twitch muscle fibers like a guy like Zab Juah has, you can still work towards getting the very most out of what you do have by the proper training and conditioning. You can get the most out of what you have by knowing what to do in order to maximize results.
     
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    Must of? There's not much use of fact or statistic for your arguement is there? So because he didn't cut 2 extra pounds in water weight before rehydrating in the Cotto fight, he must of weighed 3-5lbs more? I believe he was actually 148½ for the Hatton fight night weigh-in, and 149 for Oscar, and weighed in at 138 and 142 respectively. So despite that 4lb difference, he weighed barely ½lb extra.
     
  10. Knives7

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    That is not true.
     
  11. Andrew671

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    He weighed 149 for De La Hoya in the ring and weighed in at 142.
    He weighed in at 144 for Cotto. You're saying it's unreasonable that he weighed at least 150 in the ring?
     
  12. Andrew671

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    That is actually true. In normal men testosterone level peak at around 25-27 and incrementally decrease afterwards, therefore peak muscle mass is attained at 25-27.... that is without doing something drastically different you'll not be able to add 14 pounds of muscle from 25 to 31, because the anabolic hormones required to do so have declined.
     
  13. ceebz

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    Actually, his fight-night weights were 148 and 148.5. So, despite the four pound weigh-in difference, there was only a half-pound difference after rehydration.
     
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    Not 'unreasonable', perhaps unrealistic. For one, you said he was probably 152-154 on the basis of 'he usually weighs on average 10lbs extra'.

    I said I'd be surprised if he weighed in at 150 or over because he walks around at that sort of weight, and he's never weighed that. He weighed 149 in his only welterweight fight.

    Why do you think they said he wouldn't go up to 154? Because he walks around less than that. If he's in against top 154 lb'ers who are weighing in as middleweights, he's still not going to be a fully fledged 154lber even on fight night.
     
  15. TommyV

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    Ah, I see. I knew it was ½lb, I thought it was 148½ for the Hatton fight and 149 for Oscar, as opposed to the 148½ for Oscar and 148 for Hatton.