Who In Your Opinion Is The Most Overrated ATG?

Jack Dempsey.

Reason: Whilst obviously tough and hit hard, on film he looks decent, not spectacular. When you consider both Willard and he suffered from not defending too often or against the top opposition (for Dempsey, Wills was the fight to make) and losing his definitive fights against Tunney.

For me, I started to lose the fascination with him when I saw the Firpo fight. Firpo was terrible, and still he managed to land on and knock over Dempsey. Firpo was truly dreadful.

Maybe I'm being totally sacriligious here but whilst a fan of Dempsey and whilst it's clear to see he had a whack and had some good wins, I don't feel he belongs in a top ten Heavyweight list.

Sorry if I've offended anyone :good

 

Lets see your top 100 fleaman, assuming you have got one ?

 

Lennox Lewis.

Ive seen him in the top 3 HWs a few times & actually at no1 once or twice.... that **** alone is all the explanation I need.

(I have him at no 9)

 

:goodi agree.i thought his fight with willard was awful.joe louis would have put dempsey to sleep,quickly.

 

Well, working on one all the time I usually deal with 'brackets'. I.e I'd have an idea of where certain fighters would end up in my list but have yet to actually decide who is where. Had a list before that was totally awful, but that was because I only used to do 'post-war' lists as I didn't know enough of fighters pre-Louis.

Now I do, of course my lists are packed. Hopkins goes from the top 20 to the 40's, Gavilan and Ike Williams move back a bit to the 20's, Duran gets pushed out of the top five by Harry Greb and Ezzard Charles is now a lock for my top 5.

I was helping a very knowledgable poster out with his top 100 recently and struggled to keep up. He has top knowledge of the intricicies of fighters resumes. I have decent knowledge of most fighters, top knowledge of others.

In short, I don't think I'd do a top 100 any justice at the moment.

 

Yeah, I have Louis at no.2 in my Heavyweight list, and I'd say anywhere between 11-20 is fair for him on a top 100.

I feel he'd splatter Dempsey after a short, spirited battle.

 

What's your top ten Heavys Bill:good

 

Ha Ha, what a donkey, prepared to critcise and pass comment, yet you admit that you are incapable of a top 100 list.

 

Yeah, but would still make a far better stab at you than you would. I know which fighters deserve to be up there, and more to the point, unlike you, I'd be able to make a case either way for a fighter and get down to the nitty gritty on individual placements.

Can I be ****ed, on your account? No. But Manassa's Top 100, which he appears to be working on in a secret Laborotory somewhere, looks to be the bees knees and I've had some input into that.

It's more a case of not being arsed to put the effort in.

And the Donkey is the man who has Calzaghe as high as you do and thinks Benny Lynch is explicitly not deserving of a top 100 place.

 

I don't have one either. I'm not stupid enough to attempt a top 100 because it would probably be a mess after 30 or 40. A top 400 was ridiculous and because of that you're list in general was terrible.

 

Lennox Lewis Hes borderline top10 to have him top 3 is stupid and shows the ignorance on some peoples knowledge of boxing history

Tito Trinidad is a little overrated, he was great,but not as high as many put him

I think Max Schmeling is a little overrated
Jim Jeffries Many of his wins were against undersized guys who were past it and he barely won some of those
Max Baer too he could punch but definitly lacking in skills.

A few others too but ill get back to them later.

 

I agree with this. I think Lewis was a great fighter but those 2 KO losses to far from ATG type fighters eliminates him from such a high ranking. It's almost as if people who rate him that high disregard those 2 losses.


Here's one that will open me up for some criticism. I see this guy very high on lists and from what I've seen, I just don't see him that high: EDER JOFRE. Here's the thing, I've only seen the Harada fights and some of Medal. But it seemed to me like he wanted to mix it up too much. Against Harada it seemed like he'd lean in and initiate when boxing from the outside would've served him better. I'm open to being schooled a little on this subject. Top 40 ATG? Absolutely. Top 3o? Maybe. But I see him in a lot of top 20's and I haven't seen the footage yet that convinces me of that position.