Who In Your Opinion Is The Most Overrated ATG?

You got a point he did make a lot of title defenses,and i thought he was pretty awesome at JM. I guess hes underrated by some and Overrated by others. I guess im just thinking about the ones who overrate him as they go a little to far sometimes but i guess thats expected when you think of how popular he is to so many.

 

I think Kostya Tszyu is overrated

 

Jeff Fenech comes to mind.

Fenech had some good wins but no great wins IMO. His best fight was D12 Azumah Nelson in 1991. A case can be made that he won the fight.

Nelson was much better in the rematch (like he usually was) and stopped Fenech in 8 rounds... in Australia. It was considered an upset but that just goes to show you how much Fenech was overrated. Nelson was underrated.

Fenech beat the likes of-

Jerome Coffee W15
Daniel Zaragoza W10
Steve McCrory KO14
Greg Richardson KO5
Carlos Zarate WTD4

Marco Villasano W12 (Villasano had already lost to Nelson twice)

Mario Martinez W12 (Martinez dropped Fenech in the 6th, he had also already lost to Nelson twice... once by KO)

All good names but far from great with the exception being Zarate. Zarate was already 36 years old and had 68 fights. Zarate fought just once more (LKOby10 Zaragoza).

He fought mostly in Australia where everything was done his way. The only big fight on his resume that wasn't in Australia was the draw with Nelson. His only other fight outside of Australia was vs. Tialano Tovar KO8 who had a record of 10-10-1 fighter.

Sure, he won titles at 118, 122, and 126. Maybe he should have even won one at 130 but 130 would have been the only one worth mentioning IMO. Beating guys like Shingaki, Payakaroon, and Callejas is nothing compared to a win over Azumah Nelson.

He did fight for a title at 135 but was stopped in 2 by Phillip Holiday. He was also stopped in 7 by Calvin Grove (Grove had already lost Nelson).

Yep, in 2008 he beat a 50 year old Azumah Nelson by Majority Decision in AUSTRALIA! The fight means nothing, I'm pretty sure we all agree.

 

Jofre is similar in ranking terms to Finito Lopez in a way. Both of the little men are fighters of great ability, but had slim pickings to make an ATG resumé out of.

 

Masao Ohba in japan.Seems a lot of japanese fans have thought he could have gone up in weight as far as feather, like Harada and remained great.I saw too many holes in his armour at Flyweight for that.


Azumah Nelson, a great fighter with excellent longevity, but i tend to think a bit less of him than a lot of other good posters on here.

 

I disagree i think Fenech was underrated really. Some of those wins you downplayed. Callejas was very good as was Villasana(who he dominated) Richardson was a very good boxer in fact all those guys were.
You said a case can be made that he beat Azumah? Did you see that fight? He was clearly robbed. Martinez could bang and was a good fighter no shame in getting dropped there. Payakurun was good and he made him go to monastery and turn Monk.
Zarragoza is Hof that was a very good win.

Zarate was washed up though ill give you that
By the time he fought Holiday and Grove he was washed up he would have kicked the crap out of both those guys in his prime

 

True as a broad criticism, especially given the high placing by many of Jofre.

as a straight up comparison Jofre fought a clearly superior level of comp imo.

 

I agree, and his resumé certainly isn't bad at all with the likes of José Medel on there, but like Lopez I don't feel it's a much to his quality as a fighter.

 

I believe Jack Johnson to be over-rated by many on here due to historical context.

 

i could name quite a few of them too.
james j caveman for one

 

Exact lists suck. Doesn't matter if it's sports, music, movies, whatever... it's all biased. Some guys can't be denied but after about 10 or 15 you just start throwing names in there and it becomes a mess.

I've been following boxing closely my whole life (I'm 35), I love the sport and always will. I like talking about great fighters but numbering them 1, 2, 3, 137, 243, 364, etc. is just lame IMO. Too many opinions, everyone is biased even if they don't want to admit it.

How can you really say fighter A was better than fighter B when they both beat great fighters, never fought each other, or even common opponents, etc.

I watch a show about the 100 best Hard Rock songs ever recently. Welcome To The Jungle was #1! I think that song sucks. The list contained no Suicidal Tendencies, no Rollins Band, and only 1 song by Danzig (Mother, which IMO is far from the best Danzig song). See how opinions vary?

Opinions are like assholes... they all stink sometimes! lol

Anyway, let's get back to discussing boxing...