Who In Your Opinion Is The Most Overrated ATG?

Often sloppy, jack of all trades style, too many flat toney-esque performances and for a guy who was a supposed physical beast, the Fenech fight was an embarassment, though i do think both of them were slightly past it for both of their fights.

This is all relative mind you.I do rate him as a great fighter and at his best he was highly dangerous.I felt it more interesting to mention fighters liek him and Ohba that i do think highly of overall, than say Erik Morales who i don't think was ever great and can't be bothered to debate it at length.


I also think Nelson is overrated in the pantheon of African greats.I'm against the line of thinking that it's Tiger and Nelson then the rest.

 

Joe Calzaghe by trampie.

Roy Jones Jr. and Mike Tyson by their fanboys.

 

No doubt Fenech was past prime when he lost to Grove and he was washed up when he lost to Holiday. I didn't mean to make it seem like these men were better than him because they were not. The Grove win over Fenech was prety impressive for Grove though. Grove needed a win like that at that point in his career.

Yes, Fenech deserved the nod over Nelson in their first fight. I don't think it was a total domination like some think though. I think Nelson was amazing in the rematch and really beat the crap out of Fenech when they fought again just 8 months later (KO8).

Fenech seemingly had all the advantages and everything to gain in the rematch. He was the favorite, he was fighting in Australia, everybody was on his side.

 

jofre and wilde

 

Some other fighters i really rate, yet also think praise has become a bit overstated in recent years are Mike Spinks and McCallum.

Rodrigo Valdez on here maybe, but he's not overrated in general.I think a few are just a bit too keen to declare him de facto dominator of the middleweights if there had been no Monzon.Too much speculation there for me.

 

Asero, for once you've made a valid point :good

Wilde is someone I believe to get overrated.

For one, I don't feel his competition is up to much. People have pointed out certain decent wins on there but he doesn't have a win that really has the 'Wow' factor.

His consistency is obviously very good, and the fact he stopped so many opponents seems a testament to his power. One thing that I give him leniency for (and why I still rank him fairly high) is that information and complete records ofa lot of his opponents may very well be lost, which is why a lot of his opponents seem terrible.

I'm also not that impressed by the footage of him that is available, but I'm willing to put that down to bad nights/quality.

I think Benny Lynch would beat him.

However, Wilde did beat bigger men and didn't lose much. I just don't buy into the myth as much as others do.

as always, if there is someone who has a detailed analysis into why I'm wrong, pass the info on :good

 

I guess with Spinks you mean he just missed out on being there in the midst of arguably the best Light Heavyweight division ever but cleaned house nonetheless. Then of course the two not clear-cut victories over Holmes (good indications of Spinks talents nonetheless IMO) and uninspiring reign culminating in the sparking he got at the hands of Tyson (I don't really begrudge him that to be honest)

I guess you feel I should begrudge him that a bit. Am I right? Which is fair enough. But I'd be happy ranking him anywhere between 40-50.

 

It's just the general "dominated one of the strongest light heavy era's ever "feel i find a bit over the top and not entirely accurate.he did enough good work there without needing to take it that far.

And the Holmes rematch tends to make me feel losing the first fight is more of a knock on Holmes rather than an awesome triumph for SPinks.Michael was an average at best heavyweight imo.Maybe i'm being a bit harsh here, but i don't feel even a past it Holmes should have lost to him.

No doubt he was a great fighter though.I'd never suggest otherwise.

 

Exactly, if anything Trinidad has become underrated over the past couple of years.

I'm not so sure if Tszyu is an ATG but he is overrated in my opinion, and me and you spoke about this before too. I felt he could have lost to Oktay Urkal and I thought he lost to Hector Lopez, even though the Lopez fight was early in his career. And his lost to Vince Phillips doesn't help his cause either. But one thing I will say is that he was matched tough early in his career and was a fantastic fighter.

 

I wonder how it would compare to my top 100 then ?
As my top 100 compared well with lists by sweet_scientist and McGrain on here at the time {they both may have new lists by now ?} and also with the boxing historians website, lists.

 

Ray Leonard, master of the senior's tour is overrated. His fans dont think so because they're afraid what would happen if he took those fights with the next line of superstars

Oh sure, they're bold speculators after the opportunity has passed by

But I wouldve like to seen more and then some more after that. A win over Micheal Nunn in a title defesne would change my mind but quick and wins over Julian Jackson and Terry Norris would have been the clincher