Who In Your Opinion Is The Most Overrated ATG?

Probably why Liston tried to put **** in Ali's eyes; so he couldn't marvel at his inevitable victory.

Go on then, say it; Foreman was tired/drugged/ill in Zaire?

 

atsch You cant be serious:-(

 

All his wins were good. Michael was in his 3rd and 4th year as a professional when he beat Lopez, Sutherland, Mustafa, and Johnson. He was brought on awfully quickly and was beating all of these seasoned tough fighters.

 

Hard for me to say I don't have a concrete p4p list.
While I think Julio Ceaser Chavez was one of the best ever at 130 and exlent at 135. I think he is overrated at 140.

 

Great insight. You have him above Arguello?

 

quote by Addie[Physically he was the best he could have been, and was certainly at his peak in my jugdment, but he wasn't allowed to look good because Duran was smothering him, landing shots for the better part of 15 rounds. I was actually just trying to make a point. If anything, we all under appreciate what Spinks achieved in moving up to the Heavyweight division and handing Larry Holmes his first defeat.

Michael Spinks was not a great Heavyweight, and like Holmes, was not at his peak at the time of their first fight. Therefore, arguing that Spinks beat a past it Holmes is void because they were both past their best, but at least Holmes was operating at his most effective weight. Michael didn't go out there and steal a decision, he went out and took it to the much bigger man and befuddled Holmes with his combination's and relentless, educated pressure. It was a fantastic performance, not one to be played down.]

I can agree on the part about Spinks not "dominating" one of the best LHW era's of all


time. Lopez was at the end of his feather, Johnson had already been in his wars with Saad, and there were no Conteh and Saad on his resume. That said, he did dominate a good LHW era, and I really don't see how we can downplay his achievement of moving up and beating Larry Holmes. It was marvelous.[/quote]


Very good post im a big spinks guy and that was one one of the best performances ive ever seen
For as big as Spinks fan as i was even before that fight,I thought he was biting off more than he can chew and that Holmes would crush him. People forget what a huge upset that was,and Spinks did it in convincing fashion.

 

One guy who features way too high on a lot of peoples lists is Ricardo Lopez.

ATG skills.

Not coupled with a resume fit for a fighter above 75 IMO.

 

Joe Frazier was the last of the tiny heavy champs and is vastly over-rated on the basis of defeating the shuck and jive artist that was the post-exile Ali. Fair-to-middlin', not much more...

 

:nono No way he is with out a doubt the greatest Jw ever his resume and longevity at 140 speaks for itself. I think you got to do your homework on Chavez. While i agree his best fighting weight was probably 135. A large chunk of his championship resume is at 140. How about 13 title defenses in his first reign, and then another 4 in his second reign. How about 34-2-2-28kos at 140. With his only losses coming when he was clearly past it.

To me its not even close when talking about the greatest JWs of all time:bart

 

Oh i see you trying to be funny again ha Im not going there done it a Million times , 24 title defenses,undefeated record,and Watching him on in the Ring says it all!! Hes a top 30 ATG:yep

 

Who would you have directly behind Lopez in the list?

 

I assure you that nothing will change but that date on the calender. Expect to see more of the same in the near future.

BTW, Terry Norris rocks!!

 

Personally, i have Lopez just above Grigorian.

 

5,000? Hold on a sec.....

oops::-patsch:roll::shock::admin

That's a joke, right? Probably wouldnt even cover training expenses.

Why not 5,000,000?

That mustve been Leonard's way of disuading Pryor from pushing for it so he could get out of another tough fight

 

The only Grigorian ive ever heard of was a mediocre Ligtweight name Artur Grigorian who had a piece of the WBO title. I know your kidding.