Who In Your Opinion Is The Most Overrated ATG?

No kidding! :blood

Fenech is claimed to be worse, too.

How could it not be rated an upset when Fenech flogged the **** out of him just previous and now had the advantage of fighting at home? It's not rocket science here.

It's an excellent array of wins, especially considering he was scaling the weights at a rapid rate as well and still accumulating titles.

How could you not have Callejas in this initial list?!?!?! Yet again he was moving up in weight after another title and Victor had built up a very solid following. He was very highly rated. Fenech rates this his best win.

Coffee had been built right up in America.

Villasana had drawn the very highly rated Antonio Esparragoza his previous fight, and that included a point deduction. Without that he was champ.

Martinez was always a fine win, tough as nails and a fine barometer.

You don't rate Carlos Monzon at all, right?

Your disdain for Fenech oozes out with every paragraph. Not much in boxing full stop compares to a win over a great like Nelson but to write off everything else Fenech did and rating them compared to such shows you ain't rating Fenech full stop.

He never again fought a good fight post Nelson I. His star burned ever so brightly for 6 years, then was OUT.

No one has ever brought that up as meaningful anyway.

 

Bull**** WTF do you Chavez haters know? Jack **** thats what i say ! Chavez is underrated big time!!

 

I agree with you John Thomas, I think Fenech was underrated not overrated in fact when before he beat Callejas i had Callejas breaking into my Top 10 Pfp in a pretty good era.

 

H2H i think he'd beat plenty of ATG's from Bantam to Feather and possibly a few at 130 to boot.

 

I think Holmes is overrated. An ATG for sure, but not at #2 or #3 where I see many putting him. He has a bland resume with no keystone wins and some questionable avoidances. The strength of his resume is longevity, but not much else. I have him at the bottom of the Top 10 Heavies. Again, assuredly an ATG, but the bottom line is I find it easy to put 8 or 9 men in front of him.

 

"Tszyus biggest win was over Judah, who in my opinion was not as good as Taylor" Wont argue with you there but Chavez needed 12 rounds and for a decision made by the refree that another refree could have easly not made. Tszyu neeeded only 2 rounds to beat Judah.
His resume may not be as deep but he fought better boxers than Chaveaz.
When I said that there are quite a few boxers that I'd favor over Tszyu at 140. Chavez is not one of them. Tszyu had speed and skills the two things that gave the 140 Chavez trubble.
Like I said one of the best ever at 130, Exlent at 135 but overrated at 140.

 

Chavez would have busted Tszyu up worst than Hatton. Yey i know Tszyu was past his prime but Chavez is 10x better than Hatton comes forward like Hatton Sharper and more accurate puncher, 20x better chin, Everything Ricky could do Chavez could do much better. His accurate punches would have had Tszyu looking worst than Taylor but he would get there easier and faster. Tszyu would have his moments and take some early rounds Chavez would even it up by the 7th and but a thorough butt kicking for the next 3 rounds before knocking him out (maybe stoppage) in 10 round.

PS Taylor was much tougher than Judah thats why he went 12 with Chavez, Taylor had a good Chin before Chavez. Taylor could do for 12 what Judah could only do for 1.

 

Tszyu would beat Chavez in a prime for prime if you want to call any part of Chavez's 140 career his prime.

 

Tsyzu was just very very strong at 140 and Chavez would fight nothing like Ricky Hatton who seemed to approach that fight like a guy on angel dust.
I would give Tsyzu a chance against Chavez at 140 just because Chavez would be in the range of Tsyzus deadly righthand.

 

On a board replete with ignorant posts, this stands out.

Mayweather, the Mexican Killer, was still a great pelt to get at that time coming off victories over Paziena, Brazier and Gonzalez.

Taylor was a career-defining victory, a fight in which Chavez brutally and permanently diminished one of the best talents the US had produced during the decade.

Duplessis was a great interim defense against a guy with one defeat. Chavez fought much more often than the average Yank fighter. If guys like this were his filler, it only elevates his status. Ditto for Smith and Hernadez. Ditto also for Holligan, who was highly ranked and considered a real comer in the division.

Camacho was only 29, the same age as Chavez, and had only lost to Haugen in a debatable situation. Chavez administered a methodically savage beating which humiliated this man. The first comprehensive defeat he endured and the only one near his prime.

Haugen- a vastly underrated fighter- was only two years removed from his greatest victory, hardly over the hill but certainly destroyed in this fight.

Kamau, again an undefeated fighter, a feared and known puncher, worthy and deserved world title challenger, Chavez takes care of him in the twilight of his career.

Randall, I will concede was not a highlight. Chavez was clearly on his way down but still more than just about any contemporary could handle. This is the only dubious mark on his record but certainly not one for derision.

 

Chavez would came forward but his underrated defense would have allowed him to slip and get inside Tszyu bic right and deliver punishment that Tszyu has never recieved in his life. Tszyu would land the big right from time to time,but do you actually believe he would have kod Chavez:? Hell no he wouldnt.
Like i said in a earlier post I think 135 was Chavez's best weight but he was still fighting on an ATG level at 140.

 

He was but he never faced a guy at 140 as physical and strong as Tsyzu. Randall was probably the closest and Randall didnt have too many problems keeping Chavez at bay and even flooring him with the righthand. Plus Randall moved around a little more than Tsyzu so
Yes I think its conceiveable that Tszyu ko's Chavez at 140.
Sometimes guys like Tsyzu have this physical edge over their opponent that kind of offsets their opponents skills, and Tsyzu didnt show this dynamic skillset, he had a good jab and probing righthand but he didnt mix in a whole lot of punches, but he was stronger than a lot of his opponents. Its kind of like Arthur Abraham, he doesnt do too much in a fight, doesnt waste a lot of punches, but he physically just wears down his opponents and beats them up with accurate punches and pressure.

 

I think Randall had more skills than Kostya thats why he was effective, plus you act like that was prime Chavez. Chavez was clearly on the downslide although still very good he was only about 75% at that time. I agree that he was physically the stronger man than Chavez but Chavez pin point shots would be doing damage to, in fact hed definitly get Kostyas respect you act like Tszyu couldnt be hurt he could, I dont think Chavez would down right ko him but he is capapble of hurting Kostya.
You did have some intresting points i must admit, but i just dont see an ATG like Chavez losing to a borderline great like Kostya. Chavez was never even hurt in his prime and I dont think anyone 140 or below has a chance at knocking him out not even Duran.
How do you think TSzyus face would hold up under Chavezs accurate power shots?

 

Agree, but like you said in no way should that diminish Chavez's accomplishments at the lower weights. Id probably put the Camacho win a spot or two higher.
Then when you factor in Tszyu who was a big strong junior welter against these guys that gave him some troubles it perfectly conceiveable Tszyu does a number on him, just too big for the style matchup.

 

Yeah but were talking about an ATG not at his best weight. It just comes down to this for me. The style matchup is bad because both guys come forward and Chavez was just not strong enough at 140 thats how I see it.
Randall was a good fighter just different, not sure he was better than Tszyu but thats a whole different thread.