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freddie roach interview on manny, floyd, hgh, drug testing, malignaggi

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These guys are so guilty.

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elTerrible said: ↑

Freddy's only excuse seems to be that the Nevada commission makes the rules not PBF.... but in the contract they are allowed to negotiate their own terms. The Nevada commission rules are for 10 oz gloves to be used. Imagine if PBF said he wants to go by nevada rules not Pac's rules.. but he didnt he said ok we can do 8 oz gloves. He also said ok 10 million fine for every pound. Floyd has made his concessions for the fight but Roach doesnt want to make his.
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I see your point though you have to remember that Mayweather has totally disregarded the weight rules before...fact. Which i thought was a disgrace.

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rushman said: ↑

Well there is a pretty big difference in those stipulations.
Things like gloves and ring size are just normal parts of the fight.
Things like the weight penalty are abnormal. This is above and beyond. Yet there are two main differences between this request/demand from team Pac and the request/demand from team PBF.

Firstly, Floyd has already been guilty of being over weight.
Secondly, there isn't such a character stain associated with this - or with any of the other things that team Pac have requested/demanded.

I'm going to use an extremely exaggerated example to demonstrate this.
Let's say that Pac calls Floyd a cocaine dealer. He says that he doesn't want to fight against a filthy cocaine dealer and that the sport of boxing should take a harder stance against criminals or people with no moral character.

Let's say he demands that Floyd have his DNA tested against every country's databases to prove that he isn't a cocaine dealer.

Yes that's an extreme example, please feel free to substitute whatever crime you wish.

Anyway: why would this be unfair? Firstly because Floyd has never been a cocaine dealer (that anyone knows of) and secondly because it is an accusation that stains the hell out of a character.

Comparing a request/demand about gloves or even weight is not comparable to this request/demand for Pac to undergo extra testing.

Floyd lovers have been almost unanimous in using poor reasoning on this issue. From bringing up the fact that Pac has tattoos to making illogical comparisons (Floyd is willing to get the same testing, Floyd has agreed to Pac's demands etc etc) to selective use of information (All these groups say that blood testing is useless but these other groups say it is necessary so I will pick the group that say it is necessary etc) to plain ignoring information (such as Pac has already demonstrated his issue with having blood drawn immediately before a fight when he lost to Morales)

There is only one argument that holds any water and is actually worth considering.
Why the inconsistent messages from the Pac team, and why the change from 3-5 days back to 30?

Every other argument is logically flawed.

However this one is very good and raises enough questions on it's own.
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Good post

kgs83, Dec 30, 2009

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katuiran said: ↑

DT - How about Paulie Malignaggi?

FR - No, we would kill him and I don't want to hurt Paulie.
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elTerrible said: ↑

Freddy's only excuse seems to be that the Nevada commission makes the rules not PBF.... but in the contract they are allowed to negotiate their own terms. The Nevada commission rules are for 10 oz gloves to be used. Imagine if PBF said he wants to go by nevada rules not Pac's rules.. but he didnt he said ok we can do 8 oz gloves. He also said ok 10 million fine for every pound. Floyd has made his concessions for the fight but Roach doesnt want to make his.
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Apparently, Team Pacquiao thinks it's ok for them to make rules about weight, gloves, and penalties for going overweight. However, they get indignent when someone presents them with a stipulation. It's amazing, a few weeks ago Roach said he welcomed any testing and that they agreed to the olympic testing. I wonder why he did a 180 on the subject? I guess he talked to Ariza and Ariza informed him that the additional testing would interfere with Manny's "supplement" program.
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Both excellent posts that really get to the heart of it. Floyd allows concessions, yet Manny refuses Floyd's stipulation. Floyd could have demanded 10oz gloves, etc., but did not. All Floyd wants is strict blood testing to ensure a fair contest.

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BigReg said: ↑

I agree with this, and this is the main argument that I have been making. Team Pacquiao has been totally inconsistent and has changed their stance seemingly everyday. This interview is another example of this. Roach now wants to make it about Mayweather making up his own rules. However, they have made up their own rules in this fight. Two weeks ago Roach said he welcomed any and all testing. A few days ago they claimed that Pac only objected to being tested within a few days of the fight. Their stance changes almost daily and they are constantly contradicting themselves. Your child molester example is totally irrelevant and invalid, but that's another topic.
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Not to mention the "needle phobia" and "superstition of blood removal" garbage. They should have gotten their act together beforehand. Now they just look like they're covering something up.

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rushman said: ↑

Well there is a pretty big difference in those stipulations.
Things like gloves and ring size are just normal parts of the fight.
Things like the weight penalty are abnormal. This is above and beyond. Yet there are two main differences between this request/demand from team Pac and the request/demand from team PBF.

Firstly, Floyd has already been guilty of being over weight.
Secondly, there isn't such a character stain associated with this - or with any of the other things that team Pac have requested/demanded.

I'm going to use an extremely exaggerated example to demonstrate this.
Let's say that Pac calls Floyd a cocaine dealer. He says that he doesn't want to fight against a filthy cocaine dealer and that the sport of boxing should take a harder stance against criminals or people with no moral character.

Let's say he demands that Floyd have his DNA tested against every country's databases to prove that he isn't a cocaine dealer.

Yes that's an extreme example, please feel free to substitute whatever crime you wish.

Anyway: why would this be unfair? Firstly because Floyd has never been a cocaine dealer (that anyone knows of) and secondly because it is an accusation that stains the hell out of a character.

Comparing a request/demand about gloves or even weight is not comparable to this request/demand for Pac to undergo extra testing.

Floyd lovers have been almost unanimous in using poor reasoning on this issue. From bringing up the fact that Pac has tattoos to making illogical comparisons (Floyd is willing to get the same testing, Floyd has agreed to Pac's demands etc etc) to selective use of information (All these groups say that blood testing is useless but these other groups say it is necessary so I will pick the group that say it is necessary etc) to plain ignoring information (such as Pac has already demonstrated his issue with having blood drawn immediately before a fight when he lost to Morales)

There is only one argument that holds any water and is actually worth considering.
Why the inconsistent messages from the Pac team, and why the change from 3-5 days back to 30?

Every other argument is logically flawed.

However this one is very good and raises enough questions on it's own.
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Wow, um, sorry bro, I know you said your example was an exaggeration, but it still doesnt hold water here.

Floyd's crimes, to use your example, would not affect the fight in any way whatsoever. However, PED use would affect the fight.

But you are right in that Team Pac's stance changes everyday.

I dont understand how any fans can still support them on this issue at this point.

HolyCityBully, Dec 30, 2009

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Freddy Roach is right in what he said, Floyd is a coward, and the interwiever is a FM nuthugger, Freddy shoud have puched that mf in the face with his smart ass attitude.

DanielSt, Dec 30, 2009

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rushman said: ↑

There is only one argument that holds any water and is actually worth considering.
Why the inconsistent messages from the Pac team, and why the change from 3-5 days back to 30?

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My thoughts: Bob Arum wanted to cause this hoopla to get GBP to say some nasty things about Pacquiao to gain leverage in the REAL court battle - the one that will remove Golden Boy's limited co-promotion rights to his cash cow.

Crax Sellerman, Dec 30, 2009

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Crax Sellerman said: ↑

My thoughts: Bob Arum wanted to cause this hoopla to get GBP to say some nasty things about Pacquiao to gain leverage in the REAL court battle - the one that will remove Golden Boy's limited co-promotion rights to his cash cow.
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God you yanks love your conspiracies... atsch

Hmmm, Dec 30, 2009

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Freddie Roach looks like an adult version of the kid from Jerry Mcguire with the big ass head.

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BigReg said: ↑

I agree with this, and this is the main argument that I have been making. Team Pacquiao has been totally inconsistent and has changed their stance seemingly everyday. This interview is another example of this. Roach now wants to make it about Mayweather making up his own rules. However, they have made up their own rules in this fight. Two weeks ago Roach said he welcomed any and all testing. A few days ago they claimed that Pac only objected to being tested within a few days of the fight. Their stance changes almost daily and they are constantly contradicting themselves. Your child molester example is totally irrelevant and invalid, but that's another topic.
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I honestly feel PAC is clean. I have little doubt about it. But I do think that the actions from camp Mayweather has really irked the hell out of Team PAC. And I think it's a stance on principle....not to be bullied by team floyd and allow them to get away with tanishing Manny's rep and then having the nerve to request stupid demands.

I think PAC and Roach don't want to "GIVE IN" to Floyd b/c of how they went about creating this drama.

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HyperUppercut said: ↑

Freddie Roach looks like an adult version of the kid from Jerry Mcguire with the big ass head.

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LMAO he does!

Freddy calm down, why are you so upset he was just asking a few important questions? Getting angry like that makes u look guilty.

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HyperUppercut said: ↑

Freddie Roach looks like an adult version of the kid from Jerry Mcguire with the big ass head.

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LOL. In this case, the human head weighs 20 pounds.

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Pac and Freddie are hiding something. Freddie just lied to this interviewer saying can't detect HGH from blood samples. Freddie is lying out of his ass.

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