Would u consider Oscar De La Hoya an ATG?

everyone take notice that 2 people agreed on something in the ESB Forum...amazing haha

 

Yes! He was robbed by Trinidad 1st lost, Manny fought him old, Bernard was to big, competitive against Mayweather, Shane only one that really beat a true Oscar in prime.

 

Nope. You dont become an all time great for losing all of your big fights. Are the buffalo bills considered an all time great team for losing 4 superbowls in a row. Hellz no. ODH was good but not an ATG.

 

Sounds like more excuses than Pacman avoiding a blood test. If any other fighter had this history, these poor excuses would not be tolerated. I dont know why people turn blind eyes to ODH's many shortcomings. Including his drag queen pictures.

 

ATG top 200.

Do we limit the number of ATG to 100? What happens when someone becomes ATG, do we remove the 100th one and eliminate him fron the list?

Hoya is definitely ATG, but he might not crack the top 100.

 

What he does in his bedroom should not be even a consideration when ranking him in ATG list.

Hoya fought live opponents while another boxer is idolized because he is perceived to be too good without even fighting.

 

Very good, but not great.

 

He's an ATG with what he's accomplished without a doubt. He's not ranked in the top 20 or 30 or even 40, but he's in there.

 

He was overrated and lost to every fighter that was any good,Trinidad was schooled by ODLH admittidely and that was about it,but he lost to Mosley twice,Sturm,Mayweather and Hopkins.

 

Just cause you fight them doesnt mean you are an ATG. Beating them does though. He lost all big fights. You are referring to mayweather, if mayweather fought pac, mosley, margo, and cotto and lost to them all in his next four fights, would he still be considered an ATG or a fraud. ODH is a fraud and I dont see how he was still the main attraction, 6 years after his prime.

 

and im not gonna mention the robberies sturm, and sweet pea. (I did anyway tho).

 

Nobody can seem to answer that :think Ok he beat an old Chavez and an old coked out Sweet Pea(which was more of a draw than a W lol, that even makes it worse). Thats fine, but anybody who knows anything about boxing knows those two wins are no where near enough to get you in to ATG status. After that he lost against everyone who mattered-Tito, MosleyX2, Hopkins.His biggests wins were against Quartey, Mayorga and Vargas LMAO those guys arent even HOF material. Oscar waa a very good fighter, he has brass balls I will give him that bc I respect him as a man more than most fighters but he is not ATG status.

DLH=good fighter. To be an all time great you have to do a little more than what Oscar did. Sorry, I wish he was ATG bc he is a true warrior and deserves to be ATG but he just didnt do enough to get there. He is HOF for sure though.

 

Dude, your just nitpicking. You know in boxing having an L next to your name when it should be a W is just an official verdict, that the truth is often something different. We know Hearns beat Leonard in the second fight. We know Whitaker beat Chavez. So long as people keep being silly, the question of Oscar being an ATG or not cannot be answered. Of course Oscar would not be considered an ATG if his losses were definate but they're not, they're questionable, and often just robberies.

 

Mayweather's only fought one great fighter and that's ODLH. So don't use that dude as a comparison.

 

I figured no one would answer the question. Maybe because I forgot to put a question mark on it at first. So ima ask it again.

If Mayweather fought pac, mosley, margo, and cotto and lost to them all in his next four fights, would he still be considered an ATG or a fraud?