Pacquiao or Mayweather...WHO NEED WHO MORE????

pac beat cotto at 145 catchweight for a 147 pound title and if you ask me cotto wasnt a win you could consider a atg win because he didnt beat Joshua Clottey

 

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Totally correct

 

Money had no money before the Marquez fight, lost much of it on dud investments- in fact he owed $$$$lots of money.. (he is laughably amateur with money) and after tax, Goldenboys cut, his fight overheads, IRS bill, legal expenses, Marquez weight clause, his huge family upkeep etc etc I imagine he is still in huge debt

 

His resume in the lower weights. Record 7 titles win. Superior resume - even a better recent resume at WW. He beat Hatton at HATTON's weight in 2 rounds (Rather than Floyd beating JMM at a weight JMM never fought at or belonged in and beating Hatton at 147). He beat Cotto who Floyd never fought. Demolished Oscar, and beat a whole list of fighters in previous weight classes. Morales, Barerra 2X, JMM, Diaz, etc. His lower weight resume is his best stuff. The WW aren't his best names, yet he's dominated at it better than Floyd has. Don't discredit the Cotto win either. It's still a better WW win than what Floyd has. What makes Floyd so much better... beating these WW first and guys like Gatti and Zab Judah? More titles, better names, more wins. Simple...

Pac Resume > Floyd Resume
Pac Achievements > Floyd Achievements

Plain and simple. You're biased, and not objective. You are almost like a black version of Farmboxer.

 

isn't darryl like a black supremecist or something?

 

Darryl. Let's be honest. Simply, explain to me how Floyd has a better resume. No mumbo jumbo. No "Pac hasn't fought someone faster than him," as if that's a legit reason to rank Floyd higher. Resume to resume, and factoring the fact that he's a 7 weight division champion. How can you rank Floyd ahead of Pac?

You're explanation seems to be that you think Floyd is more well-rounded and a better fighter. And because of this, he ranks higher than Pac. It's too personal of a method in evaluating a fighter. It leaves you too subjectively make your mark on why Fighter A is better than Fighter B when the reality of their ring accomplishments and resume don't stack up. In this case. Pac is and should be ranked higher than Floyd. And that's why the majority of experts, writers, and boxing historians agree with me. More people on this site and in the Classic section (The place you'll find the best posters).

Now, in my criteria in terms of evaluating greatness I do factor skills/abilities, and pros/cons. However, that's such a minute and marginal aspect of the pie that I can't possibly argue someone like Pernell Whitaker is greater than Henry Armstrong or Roberto Duran because his "ability" and well-roundedness as a fighter is superior. Leaves way too much room for the individual to be biased if they use this method. I factor only about 10% for this department when analyzing how great a fighter truly is. :good

I'm curious. How high do you rank Benny Leonard and Willie Pep on your ATG list? Thanks :good

 

If Floyd fights Shane or Williams or Berto you can honestly say Pac ranks Higher?

now i heard he wants Matton that will be a disapointment but shane or berto wont be ready till the summer.

But Pac resume is no better then Floyd minus the Cotto win.

a bunch of tough mexicans

 

:good:good

 

mayweather needs Pacquiao more. Pac's legacy is secured.

 

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Mayweather by far