I just resaw Sergio Martinez vs. Paul Williams

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  1. punch13

    punch13 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A great fight. And after watching it this second time, I agreed with Harold Lederman's score card except for rounds 5, 11, and 12. Harold gave those rounds to Paul Williams. Eventhough Williams fought better in round 5 compared to the previous rounds, I still think Martinez won that round. Martinez landed the more effective and meaningful punches, and was only shy of 3 punches compared to Williams according to CompuBox if my memory serves me right. I also feel that round 11 was Martinez's round clearly. Jim Lampley gave that round to Martinez, and Emmanuel Steward called it a draw. However, to me it was a clear cut win for Martinez. Round 12 was at least a draw if not another round for Martinez. Williams may have landed more punches on that round, but Martinez's was just more effective. I'm also thinking that since all the judges were American, that this gave a slight advantage to Paul Williams, although one could argue that some rounds were "close enough" that a judge could have given it to the other fighter. I like both of these fighters, but the valiant effort of Sergio Martinez was remarkable in face of the taller Williams. I also give credit to Williams for being resilient throughout the fight, and being the aggressor in the sense that he walked forward throughout most of the fight which is something I guess a lot of judges reward. Bravo to both fighters, eventhough I feel Martinez won, but no use in sourgraping since the result is final. I hope they can have a rematch. I like both fighters, and wish them the best in their career paths.

    This fight along with a few other fights this year (and in the past) calls into question the need for better judging, or a revamping of the judging system. One judge had a wide margin of victory for Williams which is completely preposterous. Another judge had a close victory for Williams, and the last judge had the fight as a draw. The 3 man judge is an old traditional way of judging boxing. We should all reexamine the judging system, and look for better ways to improve on the accuracy. What is the point of two people fighting their hearts out and training (mind you) for several months only to be misjudged and robbed of a fair decision??? We are in the year 2009 and approaching a new decade. Why not have a 7 man judge as they do in figure skating competitions or diving competitions? The more judges, the less margin for error. The more judges, errors become outweighed by the better judging of most of the judges. Judges should also sit in an enclosed area devoid of the crowd's influence. We're all human, and therefore susceptible to the pressure and emotions of the crowd.

    Anymore ideas, please respond. We all need to improve boxing, and give fighters their fair due.
     
  2. jasedikio

    jasedikio Active Member Full Member

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    awesome post! What do you think about replay for headbutts an KD
     
  3. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    I have it on DVR, HDTV. Martinez kept knocking Williams' head back over and over again. Martinez won the fight, there should be a rematch in neutral territory.
     
  4. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good points on the judging. ALthough I had Williams winning 115-113(I believe) close fight and I could see it being anywhere from 116-112 Martinez to 116-112 Williams. Some of those rounds were really tough to score. Though, I think Williams outlanded Martinez by 50 someodd punches as opposed to 3 like you said.
     
  5. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The first time I watched it...I had it 115-113 Martinez....Then tonight I watched the replay....and round 5 switched for me...I gave it to Williams....Second time around I had it a draw....114-114...
     
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  7. punch13

    punch13 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I meant the punches landed in round 5 alone. If my memory serves me right, Martinez landed 3 less punches compared to Williams in round 5 alone, but I feel that he landed the more effective and powerful punches. Sorry for not being more clear.
     
  8. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Watch Williams' head.
     
  9. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Williams won when I saw it. I saw it twice already, didn't rescore but it looked the same for me. Round 11 was definitely a Williams round. Lampley was hard for Martinez when Williams was doing just as much and more work (Including the beginning, not just the exchange part).
     
  10. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Now, I think you hit on something there. It seems alot of people want to give rounds to Martinez because he was effective during the exchanges, but Williams would be doing more during the duration of the round. I think MArtinez might have stole some rounds in people's eyes as a result. And I definitely think Lampley was on Martinez' chunk from the opening bell.
     
  11. Zavy

    Zavy A fan among experts Full Member

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    watch your mothers head...up and down...up and down.
     
  12. Farmboxer

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    Williams head looked like a punching bag. Martinez kept knocking it back over and over again. It was awesome. Martinez beat Williams.
     
  13. Zavy

    Zavy A fan among experts Full Member

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    This fight was not a robbery...it could have went either way. The one judge should be suspended, yeah, but that's about it. We have seen horrible decisions this year, but this was not one of them.
     
  14. Maxmomer

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  15. punch13

    punch13 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I totally agree on replay for headbutts and knockdowns. Round 7 of the Sergio Martinez vs. Kermit Cintron fight is an example. In other fights, cuts are hard to be determined if they were caused by a headbutt or punch. In many other fights, referees often misjudge if a boxer's glove touches the canvas. Look at Mayorga vs. Spinks, or Barrera vs. Marquez.