Where have I disregarded anything? Despite what Marciano's other contemporaries may have said, Moore and Fitzgerald didn't think much of Marciano's skill set. This is a FACT.
I see you haven't taken your meds today. Please provide the quote where I have done ANY "Pathetic backtracking wordplay" , as you assert. Put up or shut up...
You've been taking their word over the others, and not mentioning or even taking into consideration the other's opinions.
I already have. Really, I have no further patience for stubborn stupidity. And I'm 27 years old, sorry if my intelligence makes you so insecure you have to pretend I'm your elder. Truely sad, you have made quite the ass out of yourself in this thread. This content is protected Not for me....
No ****. Quarry stops the Lyle express....an expression. Lyle was a rolling undefeated fighter on the rise and Quarry put the breaks on with a dominating upset. Does that metaphor compute better? Very telling that the more hardcore Marciano critics don't appear to have much going on upstairs. :roll:
This board is only about over-romanticizing. Critical analysis is out the ****ing window. What more do you expect?
What does Quarry have anything to do with Marciano besides being white? Both had completely different styles. And Quarry has proven himself against certified sluggers weighing well over 200 pounds. Rocky has not.
He grant brought up Quarry, to say he would beat Monzon, Now what Monzon and Quarry had to do with Witherspoon a big titted Heavy who never really had an impressive win other than 2 previously KO'd Heavys Gonzalez and Bruno, I dont know. Marciano was an all time great, he beat the best of his time like Moore, Walcott, Charles, Lastarza,Louis...now the best was not the Biggest in that era or Joe Louis or Jack Dempsey's era. There were big men but they did not make the grade. Funny but even a 5"9James Toney beat a lot of the Big guys and he is fat and old but he was the only one to acually KO Holyfield. Valuev is 7 ft 330lbs but he was beaten by a muclebound cruiser champ....Quality is the key here not size. Did Marciano beat guys 6'4 Yes by brutal KO, did he beat guys over 250, yes by 1st rd KO...did he also beat fighter of experience and power with over 100 fights of experience yes...but that type of fighter does not exsist today. The Klitschko's are fitness freaks and have a load of amatuer experience and are very good Big Men but the rest of the better Heavys are about 6ft to 6"2 Chambers,6", Chagaev,6"1/2, Byrd was 6", Peter 6"1/2 Ibragimove 6"1 Pvetikin 6"1...really no bigger than Walcott, Layne,Louis, Charles, and the guys that were eliminated were Bucceroni 6"2 by Lastarza, Coley Wallace 6"2 1/2 by Charles, Satterfield 6"2 by Charles, Nino Valdez 6"3 by Moore...Do you fight the biggest or the best, the biggest lost via elimination, but I guess there will always be someone looking to pick hairs.
I have already acknowledged the fact that Marciano had some redeeming qualities as a fighter. Only an idiot would say otherwise. That said, He was far from perfect...
If I'm such the ass and you're so intelligent then; Why do you lack patience? Inferiority complex maybe? Viagra may help your lack of confidence...
Toney is able to compete @ Heavy, despite his stature, because he actually has boxing skills. He has a jab, he knows how to counter, he has excellent defense. All of these attributes allow him to compete in a weightclass above his optimal fighting weight. Marciano, OTOH, was a bit crude and reaped the benefit of fighting in one of the worst HW eras ever...
There are a number of key equalisers that alow a fighter to be effective against much larger opposition and boxing ability is only one of them. One that Marciano had that Toney conspicuously lacks is top end power. Once you can hit as hard and effectivley as sombody like Jack Dempsey or Joe Louis then being big can't really protect you from it.
I think Nay_Saver is way harsh here but to expand on Janitors point ... some powers and skills translate against bigger men better than others. Toney had excellent speed, boxing and defensive skills to go with his chin and toughness. Marciano had the chin and toughness but would get hit much more by much bigger and stronger guys.