When did Pac reach the HOF/ATG status?

Pep and PBF fight nothing alike.

And I have heard you insult the style before....and insult PBF for using it. So when you compare the two, I can only surmise you mean to insult Pep.

I believe Pep said his style was hit and move, but I could be mistaken. Either way, Pep rarely had to run as he could stand in front of you and make you miss all day. His style was closer to Whitaker's than PBF's.

 

That's why I suggest you watch it again.

My intentions is to show what Pac has done compare to this Greats. If MAB, EM & Pac were all welterweights & all Americans, I don't think I'll tried so hard to explain this.

 

I don't need to watch again. I know what those greats did. Beating 2 HoF doesn't qualify you as a high level ATG. Pacman, MAB, and Morales haven't accomplished anywhere near the things that the fighters you named off did.

And don't play the American card. Many Mexicans are considered ATG, and so are a few Asians. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with accomplishments in the Ring.

Pacman has accomplished alot, no one is arguing that. But to the level of Duran, SRL, Pep, Etc? Not even close yet.

 

I didn't say Pac is in their Level already, I'll say I believe Pac will be there.

 

Then we have no disagreement.

 

For me, Pac got the HOF status when he beat EM the second time. But ATG status, nowhere close. Still too many good opponents to fight. Until he cleaned out those guys, a question mark will always be there. He should not leave any "what ifs".

 

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If he beat atleast 3 from marquez, valero, guzman and soto
for sure he must be ATG

 

I agree with that:bbb

 

He is ATG now

 

for me he is an all time great when he destroyed cotto

this man has taken out the best feather weight, best light weight, best light welterweight and in my opinion the 2nd best welterweigh (after floyd)

HE HAS NEVER ducked anyone and gone for the best always. he has done way more than say fighters like de la hoya have done imo

i firmly believe if he manages to somehow get mayweather to not duck him and wins then he will go alongside the great ali as an all time great

if he gets past mayweather

take out, mosley, mayweather in a rematch and possibly foreman then he will without a shadow of doubt be the greatest of all time

 

Pacdabest what is Mannys plans and future status now?

 

for both criteria: The day he was born. Ha!

 

As if Foreman means anything, also as if Foreman would still be champ in three fights time which is between 12-18 months.

 

It all depends on what you classify as an ATG and where the number stops.

Surefire hall-of-famer yes, ATG in the top 50? Without a doubt. I think he reached HOF status after his final Morales fight.

ATG in the top 10? No, not quite. If he beats Floyd and maybe a Mosley...I might squeak him into the top 15.

 

I don't consider steroid abusers all time greats.