The most over-rated so called all time great in history?

Fair comments on Marciano, judging him as a modern Cruiserweight would be kinder on him then throwing him the "above 175lbs" class (ie. the heavies). I just find some of the claims made about what he could have done against Liston, Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Lewis etc a little crazy sometimes given his physical attributes and who he actually managed to beat (and how he beat them).

 

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Watch him again as a boxer i thought you would appreciate how much of a ring general he was? Could you imagiine trying to fight him?

Also his wins over Rodrigo Valdez are very good, aswell as his wins over Benvenuti that are great.

come on Jeff

Thats fair enough Conn was an excellant fighter look at his record a very dominant Light Heavyweight. Good placing of him.

I misread that and thought you said he had punching ability, but i agree completly with you and he is a top 10 Flyweight.

No-one i would consider an ATG i think is overrated.

 

Upon reflection (i said I wasn't sure at the time) I think Conn is fair enough but too highly placed for my liking. I'd drop him back 10 or so spots. I actually must try and do my top 50 ATG list someday. It'll take a while mind you

 

I think old fighters are generally overrated - this is a boxing thing though..... it isn't so much the case in other sports I'm interested in.

 

why is that Beeston that you think old timers are overrated?

 

agree on Tszyu, his big wins came against over the hill fighters.

J.LCastillo, many say he's an ATG but no way, he lost plenty of times and got overrrated from the 2 fights with the chinny Chico, where he cheated on the scales in the rematch.

 

Erm....

Not really sure how to explain it, it's just an opinion that I have..... probably read the classic forum too much :yep

I mean, I'd never try and say that the current era is better than say the 1980's - for instance the middleweight division is awful, led by a champion yet to make a defence against a top 10 160lb'er in more than 2yrs as champ.... compared to the fab four and other guys around at that time.

But I think judgements passed on a lot of current/recently retired fighters is pretty harsh. I think that a guy like Mayweather could hang with the best guys and beat nearly all of them from 135-147, as well as being the best of all at 130lbs..... whilst I also think that a guy like Marciano wasn't as good as a lot of boxing historians try to convince us of.

Just a feeling I have, that's all. In 20 years time my opinion will probably be the opposite..... the standard of amateur boxing (due in no small part to the scoring system) is nowhere near what it was around the 1988 Olympics.

I mean, look at guys to come out of the 84, 88 & 92 games..... Whitaker, DLH, Jones, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, even fringe guys like Golota.

A fair % of boxers knocking around these days didn't have stellar amateur careers, to my knowledge.

 

Don't know if he is a all time great......

But i think JMM is overrated...!

 

I love to watch Marquez fight, but anyone who holds him in higher esteem than his contemporaries Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera...would be overrating him.

 

Think its a question thats very oppinion based. I dont know myself really , but i do think the term All time great is thrown out there alot without really thinking what it means.

 

I might get shot down for this but I think Ali is over-rated, the reason being is because if he had a personality say like the Klitschkos and didnt have a big mouth, I dont think he would be rated as highly.

 

Rocky Marciano.

Should've been beaten by Ezzard Charles. Retired before Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston came onto the scene, two fighters I'm pretty sure would've beaten him.

 

I've tried it mate it's ****ing hard just to let it go

 

I agree with you about liston he would have been to big & brutal but IMO He would have got to Paterson he never could take a shot on the chin

 

Let me get this straight. You are saying both Chavez and Lopez aren't ATG's?