When did Pac last compromised...????

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  1. kukoy

    kukoy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pac-Morales I, the gloves.
     
  2. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Dont forget that the Nevada Boxing commission requires 10 oz gloves. Floyd agreed to 8. Another Pac demand.
     
  3. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    But but but. Floyd wanted 10 oz gloves b/c he is scarred. :rofl
     
  4. philthyphil

    philthyphil Member Full Member

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3365846

    Cotto and Margarito have always fought in 8-ounce gloves and prefer to continue fighting in them. But under a provisional rule that has been used for the past couple of years in Nevada, boxers who weighed more than the 135-pound lightweight limit had to wear 10-ounce gloves.


    In virtually every other jurisdiction in the world, fighters wear 8-ounce gloves up to the 147-pound welterweight class with 10-ounce gloves being worn in fights over 147 pounds.

    So tell me where the NBC REQUIRES 10 oz. gloves?
     
  5. kukoy

    kukoy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I concede...

    But he surely is the bigger guy, and a lot here also believes he hits harder than Pac, so it should benefit him more.
     
  6. timmyjames

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    Updated: April 25, 2008, 1:49 PM ET
    Nevada amends glove-size rule to lure Cotto-Margarito
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    The Nevada State Athletic Commission on Thursday amended its rule for glove size, putting Las Vegas into the hunt to land the much-anticipated July 26 bout between welterweight titleholder Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito.

    Cotto and Margarito have always fought in 8-ounce gloves and prefer to continue fighting in them. But under a provisional rule that has been used for the past couple of years in Nevada, boxers who weighed more than the 135-pound lightweight limit had to wear 10-ounce gloves.

    In virtually every other jurisdiction in the world, fighters wear 8-ounce gloves up to the 147-pound welterweight class with 10-ounce gloves being worn in fights over 147 pounds.

    Top Rank's Bob Arum, who promotes Puerto Rico's Cotto and Mexico's Margarito, wanted the fight to take place in 8-ounce gloves, as did the fighters, and pursued a meeting with the Nevada commission to talk it over.

    Without the change, Arum said he would not consider Las Vegas for the fight. He has been talking to New York's Madison Square Garden and Atlantic City, N.J., about hosting the HBO PPV fight.

    With the rule amended, there is a good chance the fight will take place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Arum told ESPN.com.

    The Nevada commission had made the provisional rule in order to study a possible link between glove size and ring injuries.

    At Thursday's meeting, the commission voted 4-0 [one commissioner was absent] to allow lightweight and welterweight fighters the option of using 8- or 10-ounce gloves. If the camps can't agree, the default glove size will be 10 ounces, commission executive director Keith Kizer said.

    "We found no evidence that an 8-ounce glove would be significantly less safe than a 10-ounce glove in those weight classes," Kizer said. "We did the study. It's good that we did. Now, instead of the commission telling the boxers [in those weight divisions] what they have to wear, we're giving the fighters a little more choice."

    Said Arum: "It means that Las Vegas has opened up as an option for the fight. The Cotto team is flying in to visit with me on Tuesday and then we'll have a decision. But the glove size was important. Both of them have always fought in 8-ounce gloves."

    Gloves aside, Arum wants the fight in Las Vegas because he believes it will improve the pay-per-view performance by attracting more West Coast media coverage and more interest from Mexican and Mexican-American fans. Many of the media members on the West Coast rarely travel east to cover fights. East Coast media members are more likely to go to Vegas to cover fights.

    Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.
     
  7. Danny_Rand

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    NBC requires 10 oz gloves unless negotiated and agreed upon by 2 parties for 8. Floyd could have demanded 10 oz gloves as stipulated by the nevada boxing commision, but didnt. Just something in the long line of concessions Floyd has made so he could whoop this ****ers ass
     
  8. HolyCityBully

    HolyCityBully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Look, I already addressed the 'we only know whats being reported' stuff. So his demands are consistently reported on, but his own concessions never are. I guess its all a big conspiracy.

    I have nothing against a fighter of his stature being a tough negotiator.

    Hatton gave up money for his fight to get made. Ridiculous money. But the fight was important to him. Yes that makes him a warrior.

    If Cotto said he wouldnt fight Pac under 147 because he is the champ, no fan would have blamed him. I do not believe the weight caused him to get blown out, but can we agree that Pac's team was aiming to weaken Cotto with their demand? Still, he agreed because the fight was important to him. Yes that makes him a warrior.

    (As a sidenote, if Arum gave a **** about Cotto at all, he would have told Pac to give some of his purse split for Cotto coming down. Thats a negotiation. Instead Arum left Cotto on his own.)

    In resume, when you sacrifice a bit for the fights to get made, that makes you a warrior. To me. And thats all Im asking Pac to do here.
     
  9. Toopretty

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    No need into making their hero look like the pre-madonna that he is.. Floyd gets that label but reality exposes who the actual DIVA is. Manny the DIVA warrior pacquiao.
     
  10. philthyphil

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    They're fighting for Pac's title, but Pac has to bend over for more concessions?

    The weight is 147, Floyd's natural weight class.

    Long line. What the **** is the long line of concessions? If it's 8 oz. gloves, they're 8 oz. gloves. What is it to Boxing's Savior? What is it to the greatest boxer that ever lived? Pacquiao's just "easy ****ing money, easy fight. Absolutely no way he can beat him. "

    If there's absolutely no way for Pacquiao to beat Floyd, then it's all mere formality. What's done outside of the ring in negotiations has nothing to do with what goes down inside of it. It's still an easy fight. It's still easy money right?
     
  11. philthyphil

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    It's humorous that you want to call Manny a diva. I've actually never seen anyone, or heard anything about him being a diva. Just some hater on a message board running out of names to call him.

    But ****, I google "Floyd Mayweather Diva" and I get a shitload of hits.

    http://www.zimbio.com/Floyd+Mayweat...aF/Floyd+Mayweather+Diva+Like+Behavior+During

    ... any clothing selected by a stylist, be "controlled" in any way and threatened to "shut down" a photo shoot for the new fall issue of SET. Floyd Mayweather's diva-like behavior during the session was described as a "disaster" and he mocks Kanye West during his "skinny jeans" gay panic.

    when he arrived for the shoot he refused to wear a single piece of clothing that was handpicked by celeb stylist Malcolm Phipps. Instead, he wanted to be photographed wearing his own designer duds and threatened to shut down the shoot altogether is he was forced to wear anything that might make him resemble a certain hip--hop superstar from Chicago.

    "Listen, I don't have a problem with Kanye West," he says, "but I do have a problem with skinny jeans. And I have a problem with everybody thinking they can put all these wild and weird colors together, too. Dudes today are flooded with a thousand tattoos, a bunch of piercings and bright colors, and pretend like that makes them different. But guess what? They all look alike. And another thing ..."
    He stops and stares straight ahead at the Mayweather Promotions banner hanging from the ring. "I just don't like to be controlled."





    ****, I could go on listing articles from different media publications associating the words Mayweather and Diva. I'll wait while you find me one about Pacquiao.


     
  12. bollocks

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    ODLH VS MP

    Purse Split - AFAIK, it was 62-38 in favor of Oscar. While there were some intense negotiations prior to reaching the 62-38 split, Oscar still got the bulk of the revenue so I would count that as a concession made by Pacquiao.

    Weight - My argument is that 147 is the absolute highest weight that Pacquiao could go and the lowest that Oscar could so it is a compromise. I don't see it as a concession made by any of the fighters. Sure Oscar could have asked Manny to fight at 154 but I could argue that Manny could have asked Oscar to go down to 140 too.

    MP vs PBF

    PBF cheekily chose two dates for Manny to pick; March 13 is too close to the hard fight that he had with Cotto while May is too close to the Philippine elections. There were no other dates that were given; it did sound like PBF was saying to Manny to take any of these two dates or they won't fight at all. I would say that the date of the fight was a concession made by Pacquiao because I am sure if he would have his way, he would like to have the fight to be done after the Philippine elections because by that time, he is already fully healed from the cotto fight and his campaign in the election has been completed.

    Drug testing - I would argue that it is PBF who isn't prepared to make any concessions on the drug testing issue. Manny agreed to blood testing; as only urine testing is mandated by the NSAC, I would say that this is a compromise made by Manny. In my book, anything outside the rules that a fighter agrees to is a concession.
     
  13. Toopretty

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    Really *****. You think Manny/ Diva dont bring up no results.. lets just check.
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    Diva pink.