Actor on set of Big Boss confirmed a fight with Bruce Lee with a thaiboxer

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  1. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    http://www.woma.tv/movies/1S7/james-demile-bruce-lee-the-streetfighter.html
    Here's something else for you, since you need proof for everything. 5 min. later you'll probably be telling me he made it up.
     
  2. codeman99998

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    Just because THAT guy says Bruce Lee could beat him in a NHB fight that means he could beat BJ Penn? If you use the internet, you can probably find video evidence of BJ Penn proving time and time again that he can beat some of the very best fighters in the entire world.

    It's not as if Bruce had no MMA experience but beat Sonny Liston in a street fight, or beat Olympic wrestlers in a street fight. He beat up some Thai boxer on a movie set. He beat up some guy on the street for harassing a girl. He won a local boxing tournament against nobodies.

    Even if EVERY story about Lee was true I'd still pick Penn 10 out of 10. I don't even know if Bruce Lee would have beaten Royce Gracie at UFC 1 to be honest. Probably not.
     
  3. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    That is another Bruce Lee follower.

    If you look at my first post I say Bruce could probably beat loads of low level martial artists. Streetfighters, amateur boxers etc he could beat. He was a physical talent and trained HARD at what he did. He trained harder then low level athletes like amateur boxers.

    But to say that Bruce could beat the best 155 pound fighter to date is nothing short of insane.
     
  4. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Royce Gracie is a sort of Bruce Lee story. Loads of gym wars, loads of followers saying he could do this and that. Royce got in the cage and beat real fighters from different backgrounds. Back in those days, if you had no grappling/sub knowledge you would get taken down and subbed cos you didn't know what was going on. No doubt Royce would have approached Lee in the same way and achieved it inside a few minutes.

    That was that era though. MMA has evolved WAY past UFC1. BJ Penn is in the athletic and complete era along with guys like GSP and Silva not Ken Shamrock!

    Royce subs Lee too. No doubt about it.
     
  5. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Saying St. Pierre could of outwrestled Koscheck who wrestled since he was 8yrs. of age would of been insane. See my point.

    And Bruce would KO graice, especially in the early UFC's where there were hardly no rules. More well rounded, eons faster, harder hitter etc. Only chance gracie would have is to try and get him to the ground, but he couldn't cause he wouldn't have enough skills or speed to get in on him.
     
  6. 196osh

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    God...:rofl, :rofl/
     
  7. achillesthegreat

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    Not really. Firstly it isn't pure wrestling, it is wrestling in MMA. Secondly, GSP is much more phsyically talented and athletic. Thirdly he did BJJ and wrestling since he was younger. Coupled with the fact that as a pro he wrestled with the best Canada had to offer. I don't think GSP outwrestling Koscheck is as shocking as Lee beating BJ.

    BJ is the best 155 pound fighter ever.

    If you love Bruce then argue his POTENTIAL. Just think about the ODDS of what you are saying. All logic points against it. I'm SHOCKED that in an MMA forum 3 guys have come up with such blind love for Bruce Lee.
     
  8. Canibus81

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    So, Bruce Lee did some boxing when he was teenager, and than you say he couldn't box or had no boxing experience. And so what GSP wrestled with the best canada had to offer, he still didn't have hardly any wrestling experience. And GSP outwrestled Koscheck, doesn't matter if it was MMA fight, he still beat him in his own game.

    And Bruce Lee was just as natually Physically athletic and talented as GSP. More speed as well(although developed a lot through his wing chun training) and more intelligent.

    And I don't have no blind love for Bruce Lee, i just give credit, where credit is due. And there isn't no facts of what your saying either because we'll never know, only opinion. And know one thing though, BJ Penn definetly didn't have better boxing skills, or standup ability than Lee.
     
  9. achillesthegreat

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    GSP just stated for him to compete in Olympic wrestling he'd need to leave MMA for 18 months to qualify and completely rededicate himself to the difference. So it looks like it being an MMA fight does matter.

    I think Lee's physical talent is overrated. Again, is there any footage of these feats that people claim? I've seen him do V sits, 2 fingered push ups etc Personally, I think he can do impressive numbers but does he have functional strength?

    People talk about his speed but I think it's a little bit overrated.

    At best Bruce Lee has physical potential, just like Lesnar, Pudz and numerous others. NOTHING MORE.
     
  10. Canibus81

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    The [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_training"]weight training[/ame] program that Lee developed during a stay in Hong Kong in 1965 placed heavy emphasis on arm development. At that time he could perform single [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicep_curls"]bicep curls[/ame] with 70 to 80 lbs (about 32 to 36 kg) dumbbell for three sets of eight repetitions. Other weight training exercises, such as squats, push-ups, reverse curls, concentration curls, French presses, and both wrist curls and reverse wrist curls.[30] he performed consisted of 6 to 12 reps (at the time) per set. While this method of training targeted his fast twitch muscles, it also resulted in gaining muscle mass, placing Bruce a little over 160 lbs (about 72 kg).
    Lee was documented as having well over 2,500 books in his own personal library, and eventually concluded that "A stronger muscle, is a bigger muscle", a conclusion he later disputed. Bruce forever experimented with his training routines to maximize his physical abilities, and push the human body to its limits. He employed many different routines and exercises including [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_rope"]skipping rope[/ame], which served his training and bodybuilding purposes effectively.[31]
    Lee believed that the abdominal muscles were one of the most important muscle groups for a martial artist, since virtually every movement requires some degree of abdominal muscle activation. He trained daily from 7 a.m. to 9 a.m., exercising stomach muscles, stretching to increase flexibility, and running to increase endurance. From 11 a.m. to 12 p.m. he would weight train and cycle. A typical aerobic conditioning routine for Lee would be to run a distance of two to six miles in 15 to 45 minutes, in which he would vary speed in 3–5 minute intervals. Additionally, Lee would also ride the equivalent of 10 miles (about 16 kilometers) in 45 minutes on a stationary bike.[32]
    Lee would sometimes exercise with the jump rope and put in 800 jumps after cycling. He would also include conditioning techniques to toughen the skin on his fists, including thrusting his hands into buckets of harsh [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocks"]rocks[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravel"]gravel[/ame]. He would do over 500 repetitions of this on a given day.[33]
    Chuck Norris states, "Lee, pound for pound, might well have been one of the strongest men in the world, and certainly one of the quickest."[34][35][36][37][38]


    Uncanny Ability

    Joe Lewis, regarded as the greatest fighter in karate history attaining the titles of "United States Heavyweight Kickboxing Champion", "World Heavyweight Karate Champion" and "United States National Black Belt Kata Champion", states that Bruce was incredibly strong for his size. "He could take a 75lb barbell and from a standing position with the barbell held flush against his chest, he could slowly stick his arms out, lock them and hold the barbell there for 20 seconds, that's pretty damn tough for a guy who at the time only weighed 138lbs. I know 200lb pro weight lifters who can't do that."[39] " [40]
    Dan Inosanto states "Bruce had tremendous strength in holding a weight out horizontally in a standing position. I know because I've seen it. He'd take a 125lb barbell and hold it straight out.[41] "
    Jesse Glover states "Bruce would take hold of a 70lb dumbbell with one arm and raise it to a lateral position, level to his shoulder and then he'd hold the contraction for a few seconds. Nobody else I knew could even get it up there, let it alone hold it up there.[42]
    Karl Abs, the champion weight lifter for the European Greco-Roman Heavyweight Championship in 1894, was known as "The German Oak" and was the first man in Germany to continental and jerk 330 pounds. For the deltoid exercise that Lee performed described above, Karl Abs own deltoid hold out in perfect form was 88 pounds and was an established world wide record.[43]
    Ted Wong states "Bruce would do a lot of different types of sit ups and bench presses. He was also using a technique like the Weider Heavy/Light Principle, working up to 260lbs in the bench press for three sets of 10 on his heavy days and then repping out for 20-30 reps with 100lbs on his light days.[44]
    When he could do push ups on his thumbs and push ups with 250lbs on his back, he moved on to other exercises.[45] "
    In an essay about Bruce Lee's strength, the author of the article, Christopher D. Hess wrote "Lee performed bicep curls using a weight of 80 pounds and 8 repetitions. This would equate to an estimated 1 repetition maximum of 110 pounds and would place him in the 100th percentile for the 121-140 pound body weight class.[46] "
    The 1973 documented photograph taken at the office of Black Belt Magazine capturing Lee curling a 115 pound barbell in a single arm corresponds directly to Hess's uncanny calculation for the 110 pound bicep curl.[47]
    Herb Jackson states "Bruce was interested in becoming as strong as possible[48] ".
    James Rage states "I think its important for people to realize that he was not only one of history's greatest martial artists, but also one of the finest athletes period. His devotion to physical exercise and healthy lifestyle was mind-boggling.[49] "

    • John Little states "He wanted to see just what the limitations and capabilities of the human body were. He would do two thousand punches a day, he would do one thousand kicks a day, he would run three miles and then ride on his exercylce for fifteen miles. All of it was pushing to see what the human body was truly capable of.[50] "
    An article of the S. China Post writes "When a doctor warned him not to inflict too much violence on his body, Bruce dismissed his words. 'the human brain can subjugate anything, even real pain' --Bruce Lee.[51] "
    Hayward Nishioka, a former National AAU judo champion, experiences first hand with a pad on his chest Lee's one-inch punch and describes what follows: "When Bruce punched me, I was almost jolted out of my pants and I bounced off the wall. But I couldn't believe it, so I told Bruce to do it again. After the second punch I was completely convinced. I never thought anyone could be that strong.[52] "
    Hashimoto, a fourth dan black belt was a student of the noted karate sensei Shigeru Egami and when asked by National AAU judo champion, Nishioka, for his thoughts on being struck by Lee's one inch punch Hashimoto states "Frightening. I never met anybody like him before, not even in Japan.[53] "

     
  11. achillesthegreat

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    I've read all of this before. Like I said, I think it is true but I don't know what his functional strength is. I've never see his strength in the Thai clinh, boxing clinch, wrestling/BJJ grappling etc

    His power is questionable as are ALL of his intangiables which you guys seem to assume he has.

    Nevertheless, Bruce isn't in the same stratosphere as the fighters you think he is.
     
  12. Canibus81

    Canibus81 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In your opoinon he isn't.
     
  13. Nuke

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    I just find it funny that out of ALL the people in the world that he has met none of them question him as a fighter or his ability, its always some young internet moron who thinks he knows everything. With that said I have no idea how he would fair against someone like BJ nor do I care its a waste of time arguing about it.
     
  14. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    It's not an opinion. It's a fact. I'm talking about proven fighters on tape.
     
  15. Nuke

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    Without video evidence I think Dioxippus was overrated!!!