Actor on set of Big Boss confirmed a fight with Bruce Lee with a thaiboxer

- Done the research mate - unlike you - spoke with some of his students, friends and family. In Hong Kong and the US. So I do know what I'm on about. But, you, you dinnae ken shite, pal. Obviously.

Had lunch with Dan Inosanto (know him and his rep?) about a year and half ago. I expect he would say that you know shite as well. Funny how he's so respected amongst the world's martial artists, and yet he still calls Bruce his Sifu. Hmmm.

- Tommy would ****ing cave your ****ing head in a second, mate. And you know it.

 

Agree..

People like Bruce lee and a 80's early 90's Van Damme look unstoppable in there movies....Great physiques, great flexibilty,ridiculous speed and crazy power..

Though both have no 110% proof of ever backing up there on screen presence....

Never really that impressed by Bruce lee..If i weighed 50kgs ringing wet and devouted my life to fast fairy tap kicks and chops to the neck i would look exactly the same as Mr Lee...

He was at best a very athletic martial arts enthusiast..He never competed in any serious competition to prove he was the real deal...It aint hard to enter top flight tournaments even in his time....

I just show a fedor highlight clip to my Lee nuthugging mates to shut them up...

No 1inch punches or whatever else Lee used in his bull**** fightscenes..

 

Jesse Glover, one of Bruce's original students, rates Tommy Carruthers as the person closest to Bruce's martial arts abilities. But Bruce was still better all round.

For reference, here's Tommy Carruthers:

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But you know, videos blah blah blah...unconvinced. Fake. Bwahaha.

The dude is still alive. You can go talk with him or ask for a demo. It's that simple.

 

A lot of people are saying Bruce Lee couldn't fight because he was in movies, that's like saying Jet Li can't fight because he is in films.

Jun Fan Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do is fighting system developed by Bruce Lee, basically the principle that traditional martial arts do not help in the real world, rather that fighting is a combination of Kicking, Punching, Trapping, & Grappling. They guy developed the MMA style, he might not be as good as Ktuzo Mifune at Judo, Joe Louis at boxing, Rikson Gracie at BJJ, motobu Choki at Karate. But he understood the principle that traditional martial arts were limited and practiced all of them so.... the bottom line is no one would really fight Bruce Lee because they were world class at one thing and Bruce Lee was good at everything,.

People in this forum have no idea what martial arts were before Bruce Lee, and how good and a complete fighter he was at the time. The bottom line is he was a fighter 10-20 years before his time.

 

Dan Inosanto is a Bruce Lee student, thee Bruce Lee student.

Worlds martial artists are all well and good, thats fine. People who can fight and have fought and have proved they can fight repeatedly are more reputable than some stories garnerd by people who look up to Lee or have seen him beat up somebody.

Widdow gave an example of why second hand reports of fights are often guff: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5800394&postcount=58

I suggest you try to understand more clearly what I am saying:

There is no evidence that Lee was on a level with world class operators, beating up guys who just are not on a level physically with him does not prove how good he was neither does other random gym matches.

I have seen no evidence in any book I have read to suggest that he beat any world class kickboxer, in any of these sorts of matches either.

Do you?

If so exellent. I would love to see it, hell I dont give a **** about being proven wrong.

:huh

So? What does that have to do with what i said?

Has Tommy ever been in a fight with a world class fighter?

There in lies the difference. I don't have an angle to work. No preconceived notions or whatever. I have seen Tommy fight and no doubt he would do great vs untrained guys, and from what I have seen his multi attacker style semi contact sparring is not a bad idea at all but thats vastly different to the sorts of exploits I have seen from other guys.

Does not mean he is a great fighter or that any of the video's I have seen a lot seems highly impractical.

 

i he is ever in Australia tell him to say hi..

Mate the only videos i want to see are either in a cage,street or ring...

Thats where its proven....

I used to play pro rugby and also boxed in my teens and now doing MMA and over there years have come across blokes who are absolutely legendary when training,practicing etc...

But then it all goes to **** in the ring or on the field etc...

My whole point is the only results that matter is come fight or game time...

And seeing you dont have any actual proof of Bruce achieving anything great inside a ring etc then the case is closed..

Verdict BRUCE WASNT A GREAT FIGHTER...

Awesome martial arts practitioner????YES INDEED..

 

What proof do you have he wasn't a great fighter?

 

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

So if nobody was saying Lee was a great fighter, then nobody would say he is not. As it would be inherantly pointless.

 

Bruce Lee is the father of Martial arts as we know it in the West, everyone knows he could fight, perhaps the reason no one feels the need to mention it is because of his legacy.

 

Bruce Lee is not the father of martial arts that i am into in the west by any means. Bruce Lee had no impact on Grappling, boxing or thai boxing. He inspired people through films.

But to suggest JKD is somehow a) widley used/accessable or b) the begginnings of cross training on a wide scale is false.

Knowledge, technical ability and philosophies are great. But they are not the same as being a world class fighter. They just arn't.

 

Yes Bruce Lee was the father of martial arts in the West, most MMA fighters my coaches and Sensei and Dana White have gone on record and saying that.

the first point I want to make is you have never done nor have any idea about JKD.

For me knowledge and technical ability develop technique and that's what makes a fighter.

 

Ive never done it, but ive read up on it and watched perlenty of demo's.

EDITTTT: Most MMA fighters???????

Thats insane. Fighting is what makes a fighter! Fighting and proving you can fight.

 

Then you do understand that you then have to define what a fighter is, right?

A fighter is someone with a proven record, I would assume your comeback would be, right?

Ok, so is a boxer a better fighter than an MMA guy, and vice versa? Do you see the point I'm making?

They are different disciplines, and proven record or not, you cannot compare how good a fighter is against someone else from a different displine. This is the case with martial arts guys who do not enter competitions, but can, obviously handle themselves in a fight.

Does that make sense? In regards to Bruce Lee being a fighter - only an idiot would consider he would be lacking in skills to potentially handle himself well in a fight. Just don't get into the mindset of Bruce Lee beating everyone on the planet - only Bruce Lee detractors and haters seem to think this way. It's kinda stupid.

 

That's not true developing technique and skills make fighters, who cares how anyone fights?

 

I wonder how Lee would do against a Prime Tank Abbot.