The most over-rated so called all time great in history?

One fighter who gets a lot of admiration from some fans, is Khaosai Galaxy.

Whilst a destructive puncher, he never really beat anyone of note.

His Brother on the other hand, achieved a World title and beat two quality fighters of note, Sung Kill Moon and Wilfredo Vasquez.

Except from me, he never gets a mention Even though he was clearly superior to his Brother, not only in terms of resume (his Brothers countless World title defences were usually against stiffs) but clearly, on film, in terms of ability.

 

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I knew it Khaoker Galaxy

excellant fighter

 

I'm not game enough to touch SRR status in my early years but I'm smart enough to know top ten didn't always mean top 10. Those days were shady as hell as we all know.

It's hard/impossible to factor that into p4p status but SRR was a star and not an inch of doubt getting looked after. :think

Kostya - The dust is settling from his reign and i agree, Tszyu was overrated. Not grossly though.

 

Obviously a very good Fighter SRR, but the Greatest dont think so. His resume is not who He Boxed but when He Boxed them. Some of them He Beat is open to question. Underated start talking Ezzard Charles. :good

 

But Tyson still isn't an all-time great though IMO.

 

great shout on Charles but i disagree on Ray Robinson

he has alot of very impressive wins, who do you think was past it when he fought them?

 

Most of them , A pal of mine goes every year to the Hall of Fame since it started. He is a big SRR fan, told me a tale. He was Heartbroken from what a man had told Him and says it was confirmed by a few people whom He respected. I asked Him if He thought it was true, He said yes. It was all about being legit.

 

is that what the PM you sent me was about, didnt understand it because i hadnt seen this thread.

so you saying dives, fixes etc...

 

No chance. Utter bollocks.

If you're claiming that Robinsons best wins weren't legit that is.

 

Okay

 

I assume by this the only evidence you have is 'my friend goes to the hall of fame all the time'?

If so, ridiculous.

 

Not really not very good at putting long posts out for no reason.

 

Aaron Pryor.

Only ever fought two great fighters, Arguello and Cervantes.

Cervantes was 35 at the time and old, Arguello whilst an ATG himself was fighting above his natural weight.

After these two fighters his resume is pretty weak.

 

Wellcould you give it a shot.

What did your freind say about this as i am genuinly interested, maybe you could just summarise it up quickly

 

Questioning Monzon, who is withoubt a doubt the greatest middleweight of all time is quite simply madness, the Benny Briscoe Monzon fought was a fantastic fighter, Rodrigo Valdez was also a brilliant fighter rated number 26 on Ring Magazine's greatest punchers of all time, Nino Benvenuti was also a very solid fighter .. I'd also question your statement about 'Having watched him i cant see what made him outstanding', it was sheer simplicity of movement which made him outstanding, the basics were done brilliantly, always working behind the jab, great chin, great stamina, compact, technically superb .... Some fighters dont have the 'razzle dazzle' that you may be looking out for .. Beating Monzon for any middleweight in history stylistically would have been a job of monumental proportions, whether that be Hagler, Ketchel, Hopkins, Greb or any of the 160's ....

Kostya Tzsyu was also a great fighter but not in Monzon's league, he was the first Undisputed Light Welterweight champion in 30 years, he's definately a big-gun in the 140 division .....

Calzaghe isnt an all time great, and for a semi controversial opinion, i'd question the much hyped Felix Trinidad, out-boxed by De La Hoya before Oscar ran, demolished by Hopkins, Winky and Roy Jones very easily (all be it he was up in weight) .. He was ultra exciting, but there has to be questions about his elevated standing with some boxing fans, he made his name beating guys like an Old Pernell, Oba Carr, Blocker, Reid and Camacho but does that resume propel you into ATG status ? Does a win over another vastly over-rated fighter Fernando Vargas propel you to a position in the pantheon of greatness ??

Trinidad was dynamite entertainment, always knocked down and getting back up to KO somebody, but when people compare him to Hearns, i have to laugh and scratch my head ..

It depends on what people define as 'All time great' .... Monzon is there for sure and on the very highest platform, that is unquestionable ..