Most complete fighter ever

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  1. oibighead

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    Hagler, Leonard, and Duran were 3 of the most complete and versatile fighters I've seen. They could all win not in different styles, but did so against top notch opposition. Hagler switched from his usual boxing style to an aggressive mauler against Hearns and took him out in 3. Leonard switched from his usual flat-footed stance to being more fleet-footed and boxing on the backfoot against Duran in the rematch and against Hagler. He went on the attack against Hearns when he couldn't deal with the outside game of Tommy. Duran could win being very aggressive and on the inside (Leonard 1). Against Dejesus in the rubber match, he first boxed effectively behind the jab, and then turned up the pace later on and put the pressure on and stopped him. Duran had excellent upper body movement and rolled with shots well or simply avoided the shot altogether. Leonard had solid defense, and Hagler had good parrying skills along with head movement. They could all take shots well too.


    I wouldn't put him in there. Due to his height and range, he wasn't going to win a fight on the outside using range. Despite being dangerous on the inside due to power, he was also prone to laziness once there and lacked a real refined skillset on the inside. He was largely a mid-range fighter. A "complete" fighter should excel at different ranges and be able to fight effectively in different styles.
     
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    How can someone be "the most complete fighter ever" when they have virtually no power?

    For me, prime Roy Jones Jr. is H2H the best fighter ever.
     
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    Whitaker wasn't all that feather-fisted. He had some power in his left hand, which rocked Chavez in the 8th round and saved him against Hurtado.

    Guys like Sven Ottke, Maxie Rosenbloom, Paulie Malignaggi...that's what I consider having virtually no power.
     
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    Ali must be in with a shout.

    Footwork, hand speed, solid jab, solid chin, heart, technically good, fearless as proven in his resume as he fought everyone who was anyone, he was durable + later on in his career when he was less physically gifted he proved what a clever tactical fighter proving that that he could adapt.
     
  8. El Cepillo

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    Yeah, that's true. But Whitaker wasn't heavy handed, and if you're talking about 'most complete fighter ever' then they can't be lacking in what is one of the most important aspects of being a fighter.
     
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    I always thought me and my pops were the only one to catch that. He did hurt Chavez with a body shot momentarily. He also kod Nazario and Lomeli with almost one shot.
    Overall his power was average throughout his career but occasionly hed ko people or hurt them. Camacho was another guy,although most know that he was a pretty good puncher at Jrlight.
     
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    HE is the greatest heavy of all time and a Ring imortal but he was not TECHNICALLY SOUND:nono
     
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    Complete bollocks more like.

    It's got to be Ray Leonard. There was nothing he couldn't do in the ring.
     
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    Got to be Ray Robinson
     
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    Actually Ottke had some power he just rarely commited to his punches due to his style. Ask Mundine what happens when he does :hey
    There was a fighter commenting on Ottke after the fight against him - I think it was Brewer after their second fight but I´m not sure - who said after a few rounds he had problems lifting his left arm because Ottke just hit him there again and again with his right and that he really felt those punches.
     
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    Mayweather has shown the ability to fight coming forward as a pressure fighter. He does so against southpaws.


    Ali was 6 '4 215lbs. So if it was Ali's intention to ever become a come forward fighter, given he was bigger then 95% of his opposition at the time, he could do it. But didnt, as to why he's not a complete fighter.

    As to why I ask if Duran could box off the back foot behind the jab if necessary to win a fight. All I've gotten is "he didnt choose to" well if we never saw it how do we know he could. Then he's not a complete fighter, sorry.
     
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