Actor on set of Big Boss confirmed a fight with Bruce Lee with a thaiboxer

Obviously these guys need records. Fighters like BJ have fought the best and through a process of elimination have seen themselves crowned as the best in the world.

If BJ Penn dedicated his life to do things like V sits and doing crazy vertical jumps then he could look just as crazy as Lee. Instead he trained for real fights and won them.

This argument has become ludicrous. Lee fanatics have been left to try and argue the credentials of people arguing that Lee isn't God.

 

My argument is not simply a platform for his Martial Arts. It is him being famous full stop. No mainstream guy has a scooby doo what Van Damme or even Seagal has trained in but up until recently they would say they are the toughest. It's an illusion and FYI Seagal and Van Damme were dedicated and talented like Lee. It's all about being famous AND having a platform for JKD.

Lees death made him a cult hero. Enter the Dragon then came out and that is huge until today. It's during this period that all his interviews and everything that was documented started to becoming big. He had loads of interviews discussing JKD and they came out after his death but they still came out and promoted his thoughts on JKD. His philosphies snowballed until people starting saying stupid things like he is the greatest MA.

Before his death, his platform was 18 movies in China. In USA it was just Batman and Green Hornet but once he died he had LOADS of footage etc that came out promoting his thoughts. It's not just holding talks discussing what you think, it's about being famous and people building the myth.

 

Like I said, your rules, your game.
Fair enough.

Kinda difficult to compare if people are not into the same disciplines, no?
And like I said, again, kinda difficult to compare Bruce with anyone cos he had no need to prove to anyone anyway. Still, by all accounts from more knowledgable people who knew him or know of his story, the dude can fight.

 

It's not his rules. It's simple logic when comparing fighters.

JKD can't be compared to any competition discipline. I know it is a discipline but with no competition then it cannot be gauged at all.

I have my own discipline called whicky wak wok wik. I am the best at it. I will post vids on youtube and then you can compare me to bj penn in fantasy fights.

We aren't saying he can't fight. We are saying it is nothing short of ridiculous to put him in the same sentence as any fighter who has fought in competitions which have seen them go all the way to the top and be recognised as the best ever.

 

In regards to fame and infamy. Obviously then, your beef is with the dickheads who consider Seagal or Van Damme being brilliant fighters. That's their problem, not Seagals nor Van Dammes. IHence, nothing to do with Bruce Lee either. As for 'platform', as I've illustrated in my previous post....kinda ****ing hard to have a platform for your views during your lifetime when you're ****ing dead.

I agree with the subsequent fame and acclaim, but that wasn't your original point. You said he used his fame and publicity during his time to promote his martial arts. Obviously, you were wrong there, right?

And once again, if people thought he was the greatest martial artist ever, and could rip a man's heart out and show it to him before the dude keeled over, well, that's their problem, isn't it? Bruce Lee never said he could beat anyone and everyone, so what's the point? No need to be hating on someone that someone else has proclaimed and put on some pedestal.


You know a lot about Bruce Lee, you said. You sure on that? 18 movies in China (HK) for a platform? Er, platform for what, exactly? Martial Arts? Have you even seen these old movies he acted in as a kid? Let me answer that. No, you haven't. Am I correct?
Does anyone outside of HK even know he was a child actor, never mind actually seeing any of them? Jeez, man, you're reaching there, dude.

Loads of subsequent footage? Hmm. Not really, I would say. Enough for a handful of documentaries perhaps. Relatively, it's nothing much.

Anyway, you're mentioning them in relation to the 'myth' of Bruce Lee that has occured over the years. Once again, it's culture and the cult of personality you seem to have a beef with. Nothing to do with Bruce Lee himself, really.

But I agree, there's a lot of people making stupid assumptions out there on Bruce Lee based on general ignorance. Shame on them, eh?

 

Yeah, fair enough. But it's still your game , your rules. You know this because you realise that JKD isn't something you bring into the UFC, generally (actually, the basic concept of learning other disciplines is a part of JKD as well. But I digress). Most JKD guys practice it and martial arts for their own benefit, and not for competition. It's their right to, anyway. Have a go at the dudes who do think that Bruce could beat this and that guy, but you do realise however that basically, it has nothing to do with Bruce Lee, right?

Ok, you can argue and discuss points with them, but you have to consider that to have a good case, you have to know the subject matter well enough in the first place in order to make an informed opinion.

Sadly, to my experience, that aspect is woefully lacking.

PS. Nah, still couldn't give a **** as to who can beat who with one hand tied behind their backs.

 

You can make an argument that Rikson Gracie is probably a B class fighter now only using BJJ.

 

JKD isn't my martial arts i train Muay Thai and Judo BJJ boxing and MMA. I am just aware of Bruce Lee's JKD principle

The whole point of JKD is that it is not a single Martial art like Muay Thai, Judo, Karate boxing or BJJ. Bruce Lee's JKD style it is a combination of all almost identical to the current the current sport known as MMA.

 

While Seagal is a piece of **** and it's fair to wail on the bull**** he himself spouts all the time (ex-Navy Seal; special ops; security for the prez; government assassin etc.) at least Van Damme has an actual fight record. He entered the European full contact scene aged 16+ and acquitted himself well. I know he comes across as somewhat of a ***** but you can't deny the dude can probably handle himself in a fight - unlike Seagal.

 

I personally feel that labeling JKD as a style is inaccurate.


JKD is theory put into action. Keep what is useful, discard what is not. As
Bruce would say.


He has been qouted as regretting giving it a name, thus putting it in a box like other styles.


Bruce was my biggest hero. Now, I took him of that pedestal and view him not as a MA God, but as a flawed human being who made a blueprint for physical, mental and spiritual enlightment based on his experiences and studies. For whatever shortcomings he had, he fell short of reaching his goals when he tragically died.

JKD is mixed martial arts. Bruce is the father of mixed martial arts.


As a fighter, we don't know and never will whether he was capable of taking out world class comp. He would not even spar Joe Lewis.

I highly suggest everyone read "The Tao of Bruce Lee"

 

He'd be laughed off the site if he posted it in the Training Section. Most would advice him to join a gym, likely.

 

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People who call others ******ed because they don't believe in childhood fantasies about a film star is ridiculous. Added to this actually thinking he would be able to beat a professional 'world class' fighter like BJ Penn is embarrassing.

You should probably stick to a fanboy site for Bruce Lee, not a forum which deals in reality.

 

I am referring to the term fighter in the context of the current argument. That is -that he would beat a 'world class' professional fighter i.e BJ Penn. And there is no evidence that Lee would be able to actually fight and beat a professional, world class fighter, due to his apparently non-existent fight record. Try to keep up

 

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Cant believe there are fight fans who actualy argue about this.

 

Just because you don't know the difference but continue to speak on the subject as if you were informed is pretty ******ed.

What other apt word is there?