Bowe Over Schmeling?

Certainly some good power was there that Schmeling tasted against "Baer and Louis," but the leverage was missing..... Bowe's right cross angled downward on Schmeling's face is gonna have an impact with a serious thud........

Baer was a wide & wild swinging brawler who lacked finess and skill....... If he caught you cold, you were dead meat... But skilled fighters with savy, skill and strength could avoid his sloppy rushes.......

Joe Louis was not at his best in 1936 for Schmeling.... Louis was beginning to slack off in training and Jack Blackburn knew it too...... Things had been going too good for the 22 year old Louis.... An upset was in the air...... Max Schmeling was well trained and serious at age 32.......

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I favor Bowe but it's crazy to put any weight on the Louis 2 fight, Max was way past it-he was even nicely on the way down in the FIRST Louis contest. Certainly Bowe\s losses(wins?) over Golota were far nearer prime than these. I actually rate Sharkey over Schmeling but Jack was one hell of a boxer.

 

The '36 victory for Schmeling over Louis was based on a combo of things.... 1.) Schmeling trained his ass off in '36 for Louis; Louis did not train his ass off for that fight..... So, basically speaking, Schmeling was the aging veteran with rounds of experience and Louis was the hot-shot upstart who momentarily lost his focus for one fight, and it cost him dearly... Also, Joe Louis had that flaw of dropping his jab instead of bringing back to his chin for coverage......

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And yet nothing has changed from before. Go back 5 posts before from me. You just like the sound of your own voice and that's fine.

 

Yeah, that's bull****..........:twisted:atsch

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Note:

Again, I like old timers from the golden era, but I will NOT invest too much stock in guys like "Jeffries, Dempsey, Tunney, Schmeling, Sharkey, Baer, Charles, Marciano and Johnasson" as to being highly successful with the crop of heavies from the middle-60s to the current time here in 2010.... Oh, I'm sure some would win a few fights in a time machine, but overall, they'd fail or be slaughtered in the end...... Heavyweight boxing really jumped up when Clay / Ali burst onto the scene........
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I'm not sure that I would call it "even." Evander Holyfield was an all time great lineal champion. The man who Schmeling beat for the title was a a mere challenger who the preceding champ had beaten convincingly, and Schmeling's victory was earned via DQ, rather than in an epic war such as the one between Bowe and Holyfield.. The rematch was a controversial decision, but still a loss.. If controversy is what we're using to award automatic victories, than it could be said that Bowe's contest with Holyfield was temporarily interrupted by a parachuter entering the ring, giving his opponent time to rest...... Either way, Bowe's taking of the title is not equally matched by Schmeling's crowing as champ......

Agreed, Holyfield was in miserable shape.. But, Bowe still took two out of three... You can't punish the man for going in there and doing what he needed to do.. The fact that Holyfield wasn't prepared doesn't make Schmeling's resume look any better.

" Aside from Baer " isn't the reality.... Schmeling got KTFO.... Nothing like this ever happened to Bowe, despite the fact that he fought men who were better.. Bowe also fought top contenders both before and after his prime had been reached... He still didn't drop anywhere near as many fights as Schmeling.. Also, Schemling was four years and forty fights into his pro career when he lost to the journeyman Gypsey Daniels.. Frankly, I think you're going to be hard pressed to make a case that he wasn't prime when this happened...

I acknowledged Bowe avoiding Lewis in my previous post, and agree that it dented his legacy. But, the fact is Riddick still fought a fair number of men who were either at or near the top of the division from 1992-1996, and again did not lose as many fights as Schmeling...

I listed his career record and when doing so used the words " to the effect of" 56-10-40.. When I placed the number 40 to the right of his losses, I meant KNOCKOUTS...... I have a feeling you knew what I was talking about, but in either case, by listing his 4 draws you've only weakened his record and strengthened my argument, so I'm fine with that.

In terms of the "pros"? Nothing.. But when I rate fighters, I prefer to look at the WHOLE picture and not just selectively pick and chose the portions of their lives as fighters where it suits me. Forgive my giving merit to the fact that medaling in the olympics is a huge accomplishment that I feel deserves mention.

You accuse me of ignoring "circumstances" when you conveniently forgot to mention that Louis was only two years into his pro career, while Schmeling was a former world champion.... Now, let me say that another poster would jump all over you for this, but knowing something about the scenario, I won't... Louis entered the pros with an extensive amateur career, had good management and wins over two former champs before facing Schmeling.. He also had the advantage of fighting on his home turf, while Max was off for a full year and had only won four of his last eight fights..... But let's not dismiss the fact that Louis was still young, unpolished, undisciplined.... And this was Schmeling's chance to make an impact in the eyes of his countryman.... You can accuse others of omitting details all you want, just as long as you don't do the same thing yourself.....

 

Again, yes, as much as I admired the late Mad Max Schmeling in the ring, it is true that he won and lost the title in very dissatisfying manners...........

As for Evander Holy, well, his Heart issue against Moorer in 1994 was bull****.... If anything, I'll buy that his Shoulders and Rotor-Cuffs were either torn or injured to a degree from "Roid" abuse and serious weight-lifting.........

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atsch Schmeling would be lucky to make it past the 2nd round in fact Im even gonna say Bowe starches him in 1. Cant believe this is even being debated here. There is nothing Schmeling could do to win this one. this is a no brainer i dont see that this one could even be up for debate. Schmeling had a so so chin against 190lb heavys, how is he gonna do against a Mobile 6-5 240 Big punching Bowe:huh

 

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Anyone see the 2002 film "Joe and Max" with Leonard Roberts and Til Schweiger???? I bought it at BlockBuster on a used Video for 5 bucks several yrs back....... I like the film....... I enjoyed it........ Richard Roundtree (Shaft) plays Jack "Chappie" Blackburn....... Check it out, dudes.........

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Look. Most people can rate Schemling over Bowe, but that doesn't mean that they think Max beats Riddick. Do you really rate greatness just based on H2H? This is what I've been getting at the whole time. But you keep rambling on about liking the old time fighters. That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

 

Well it's not. Bill's just arguing with himself.

 

Well i do agree with everything you said except for saying that it started with Ali. I think it started with Liston and Liston would be atleast even money with the Klitchkos, in A HTH. In fact im leaning towards Liston to ko Wlad Vitali would be a more difficult task.

 

Alright, I'll buy that.........:thumbsup

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