Did Mayweather's dominant win over Marquez enhance his legacy

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Even if it comes from boxrec.com

 

JMM always won more rounds...he's a better boxer...just less dynamic. If JMM had the talent and ability PAC did JMM would be the greatest boxer/fighter of all time.....but I guess you can't have everything like a Ray Robinson. For me JMM looked the worse for wear in both outings with PAC but again.....He won more rounds and PAC did more damage...scoring the KD's sealed the deal...had not been for those JMM would be 2-0 vs PAC....but there are no "WHAT IF's" in boxing....it's all about what you do and what the conclusion of the fight is.

 

How? Manny winning a close fight with a great fighter like JMM who was prime is as legit as you can get. Winning a fight by DQ may be legit in your world but lets try sticking to reality brah.:good

 

Not a slight at you Danny, but I don't understand this weight that is put upon beating "P4Pers". It is a hypothetical way of grading boxers if every one of them was naturally the same weight. Sure, before the fight Marquez was P4P #4 and Floyd was #2 but they do not naturally have the same optimum weights so when you make Marquez come up to meet you it kinda negates the whole thing.

You could have a flyweight P4P #1 and a heavy weight P4P #2 but if you ask that flyweight to add 80lb and fight at heavy weight then it's not really representative is it? The heavyweight has a huge advantage. I know, an extreme example but it illustrates the point. Taking into consideration the capacity the human body has to jump weight at age 36 muddles the whole thing even further.

And when you come in overweight on top of this you're laughing at the whole thing.

 

Sarcasm just goes right over head

 

Nothing wrong with douchebags, really. :yep

 

Weight drained fighters dont fight at that weight 3 years after the fact period. Corrales has had a history of not being able to make weight. He lost 2 belts because of it. More then likely he was just lazy in training. On the night he outweighed Floyd in by 10 lbs. Floyd was 136. Corrales was 146. Being 146 lbs, I doubt Corrales felt weak. When a fighter doesnt add weight after the weigh in thats when you know he's drained. Alot like DLH.

And hour and a half in the sauna is nothing really. Pac was doing more drastic things to make weight against Morales in their first fight. As was Morales in the 3rd

 

Not really. Heavyweight to flyweight is outrageous. Lightweight to welter is a leap that has been made before. Mosley was a lightweight and jumped up to Welterweight and was fighting Oscar and beating him 2 fights later.

Marquez weighed in against Diaz at 144. Against Mayweather he weighed in at 148. Not that big a leap. However I admit I underestimated how big FLoyd had gotten over his 2 year layoff. I thought it was going to be the Floyd that fought HAtton who was 148. This Floyd looked 155 and muscular.

Anyway, if you wanna be pedantic we can cross Marquez off the list and say Floyd has beaten 2 P4Pers which is what, 1 less then Pacquiao?

 

Totally agree with you. Thats why I rate JMM so highly. Pac was stronger, faster and more athletic then JMM by a big stretch. But JMM because of his skills was able to keep up with Pac.

As for both fights. I think Pac looked like the winner in the first. While JMM looked like the winner in the 2nd. Just Pacs body language in the latter rounds.

 

Most trainers would say that adding too much weight after a weigh-in is a sign of too much dehydration. Bad training can also force a fighter to dehydrate to make weight which is exactly the case with Corrales.

You're the first person i've heard say that if a fighter adds a whole shitload of weight right after the weigh-in, tahts a sign that he wasn't too drained. That only the fighters who don't add weight after weigh-ins are drained. I was just listening to a Khan interview where he said he was draining too much to make weight and putting on too much weight right after the weigh-in. That he would feel weak in his fights because of it. Pacquiao said the same things about his fight against Barrera. Santos looked completely drained against Foreman. Abraham was starting to look drained at 160.

In fact, I can think of so many examples where a fighter added too much weight after the weigh-in and I knew right away he would be listless.

When a fighter has to lose 16-17 lbs in a short period of time, especially those last 2 lbs in the sauna after the weigh-in, and then puts back on those 16 lbs in 24 hours right before a fight, that takes a whole shitload out of them.

 

Well, one of the reasons why people are so amazed by Pac and people like Henry Armstrong is their ability to traverse weight classes. Because very few people can do it well. Marquez, clearly, can't do it well. Therefore IMHO it is irrelevant that it has done before. The important thing is that Marquez couldn't make the leap and carry with him his speed or his punch. Really, the only thing he brought with him to WW was his heart. And because he couldn't jump through the weights well that negates the ability of Floyd fans to regale him for the fact that he beat the #4 P4P guy at the time.

As for the second quote: I'm not arguing this because I'm a Pac fan; this is just my feeling on the subject. Not trying to be pedantic either, just my humble internet opinion. I'm a Cotto fan, anyway

 

True. No one predicted a Marquez upset. But Mayweather, true to his character,wanted to be thoroughly safe. The weight penalty is worth it.
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This. It was a tune up. I hate referring to a great fighter like Marquez as a tune up but it was just that. I think Marquez landing some power shots let us know how good he is and how hard it is to land on Floyd. Basically it just showcased Floyd still having his speed and defense and Marquez is a tough son of a *****.

 

Pac has beaten 5 top10 p4p fighters.

Barrera #3
Morales #6
JMM #3
Cotto #7
Hatton #10

 

size was a factor obviously,,,but noone gives him credit for embarrassing JMM for 12 rds...like that is an easy feat...I guess when ur that great it is expected